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Dec 6, 2011 4:15 PM
WebFire;1004587 wrote:No, I don't. Because OSU beating ISU by changes the dynamics of the equation.
SMH.

I pray you don't actually go to Michigan.

I do agree we need a playoff.
Dec 6, 2011 4:15pm
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Dec 6, 2011 4:22 PM
sleeper;1004591 wrote:SMH.

I pray you don't actually go to Michigan.

I do agree we need a playoff.
I think your logic is failed. Alabama being #2 is dynamic based on other factors around it. If those factors change, so can Alabama at #2. Otherwise, just have a preseason poll and play the NCG right away.
Dec 6, 2011 4:22pm
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Dec 7, 2011 6:47 AM
sleeper;1004520 wrote:I don't think anyone in this thread besides maybe FFT and I actually understand what I'm talking about....
Yes they do.
Dec 7, 2011 6:47am
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Dec 7, 2011 8:29 AM
karen lotz;1004542 wrote:also vball, where was the human element argument when OSU raced out to that 24-7 lead? Did Iowa State show a video tribute to the victims of the plane crash on the jumbotron at that point?
vball10set;1004554 wrote:I wish I could answer that, karen...adrenaline maybe?
Was it the same adrenaline that got Kansas off to a 18-2 lead against Texas last year..and everyone (including you vball) jumped on me for saying because of Thomas Robinson's mother's death they got off to a huge start because of adrenaline, then tailed off since they were up all night crying and mourning her death?
Dec 7, 2011 8:29am
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Dec 7, 2011 8:41 AM
None of the human elements should be factored in anyway. So pointless to argue it.
Dec 7, 2011 8:41am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:04 AM
SportsAndLady;1005240 wrote:Was it the same adrenaline that got Kansas off to a 18-2 lead against Texas last year..and everyone (including you vball) jumped on me for saying because of Thomas Robinson's mother's death they got off to a huge start because of adrenaline, then tailed off since they were up all night crying and mourning her death?
point taken.....and Webbie, why not?
Dec 7, 2011 11:04am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:07 AM
vball10set;1005470 wrote:point taken.....and Webbie, why not?
Too subjective. And people/teams react differently to these human elements.
Dec 7, 2011 11:07am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:14 AM
WebFire;1005479 wrote:Too subjective. And people/teams react differently to these human elements.
Fair enough...I don't necessarily agree, but I see where you're coming from.
Dec 7, 2011 11:14am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:24 AM
SportsAndLady;1005240 wrote:Was it the same adrenaline that got Kansas off to a 18-2 lead against Texas last year..and everyone (including you vball) jumped on me for saying because of Thomas Robinson's mother's death they got off to a huge start because of adrenaline, then tailed off since they were up all night crying and mourning her death?

Did Notre Dame get a pass from you or others last year for the Tulsa game after Declan Sullivan died?
Dec 7, 2011 11:24am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:38 AM
karen lotz;1005508 wrote:Did Notre Dame get a pass from you or others last year for the Tulsa game after Declan Sullivan died?
I never said they didn't...I'm sure it played a factor (did they even lose that game?).

But there is a significant difference between a player's mother dying (the mother wasn't just some mom..she was the "team mom" she did a lot of things for the guys on that team) and a kid who was taping your practice dying.
Dec 7, 2011 11:38am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:45 AM
SportsAndLady;1005521 wrote:I never said they didn't...I'm sure it played a factor (did they even lose that game?).

But there is a significant difference between a player's mother dying (the mother wasn't just some mom..she was the "team mom" she did a lot of things for the guys on that team) and a kid who was taping your practice dying.

You don't think the players and coaches that were the first ones to respond after he fell and saw him laying on the ground were affected? I'd say actually witnessing the event would have a greater impact than learning of a mom's death.
Dec 7, 2011 11:45am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:48 AM
karen lotz;1005508 wrote:Did Notre Dame get a pass from you or others last year for the Tulsa game after Declan Sullivan died?
Notre Dame let it happen, I don't think anyone in South Bend cares for the loss of DS. They did however 'take responsibility' for the actions by all keeping their jobs and sweeping it under the rug.
Dec 7, 2011 11:48am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:48 AM
karen lotz;1005538 wrote:You don't think the players and coaches that were the first ones to respond after he fell and saw him laying on the ground were affected? I'd say actually witnessing the event would have a greater impact than learning of a mom's death.
It wasn't so much "learning of the death" that affected them so much..it was staying up all night (some of the players said they got 1 or 2 hours of sleep), crying, mourning, being emotionally weak. It's tough to just snap out of that and play a basketball game against a good team.

And it's not like the whole team were watching as he was falling and hit the ground...they probably didn't even know it happened until seconds after it fell.
Dec 7, 2011 11:48am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:56 AM
SportsAndLady;1005547 wrote:It wasn't so much "learning of the death" that affected them so much..it was staying up all night (some of the players said they got 1 or 2 hours of sleep), crying, mourning, being emotionally weak. It's tough to just snap out of that and play a basketball game against a good team.

And it's not like the whole team were watching as he was falling and hit the ground...they probably didn't even know it happened until seconds after it fell.

And a lot of players and coaches left the practice field through the fence to try to help him. That isn't the point though.
Dec 7, 2011 11:56am
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Dec 7, 2011 11:58 AM
karen lotz;1005559 wrote:And a lot of players and coaches left the practice field through the fence to try to help him. That isn't the point though.
What the fuck is the point lol
Dec 7, 2011 11:58am
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Dec 7, 2011 12:00 PM
SportsAndLady;1005563 wrote:What the **** is the point lol
He wants to get built in excuses for why ND has never won a bowl that anyone cares about. That is the point.
Dec 7, 2011 12:00pm
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Dec 7, 2011 12:06 PM
SportsAndLady;1005563 wrote:What the fuck is the point lol

The human element doesn't matter once the game starts. No one gave Notre Dame a pass for losing, you are trying to argue that Kansas might have been impacted during their loss to Kansas so you can say Oklahoma State was affected during their loss to Iowa State. You can't pick and choose when to allow something like that to help your argument.
Dec 7, 2011 12:06pm
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Dec 7, 2011 12:15 PM
karen lotz;1005576 wrote:The human element doesn't matter once the game starts. No one gave Notre Dame a pass for losing, you are trying to argue that Kansas might have been impacted during their loss to Kansas so you can say Oklahoma State was affected during their loss to Iowa State. You can't pick and choose when to allow something like that to help your argument.
First of all, I never said Oklahoma State was affected..I simply just pointed out vball and other's contradictions when they made fun of me for thinking Kansas was affected by T-Rob's mother dying. Yet they are here saying Ok State was affected by the plane crash.

Second of all, the Kansas thing is legit..it has nothing to do w/ a "human element", moreso the players getting an hour of sleep and having to play a noon game the next day. You don't think that affected the outcome of the game, fine, I don't care lol I think it did affect the game...and Kansas beat UT on a neutral floor later in the year, so really taht only helps my argument. Kansas had won a ridiculous amount of games in a row at home, they wouldn't lose to UT if it were a 'normal' day.
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Dec 7, 2011 12:24 PM
vball10set;1004521 wrote:If the human element is at all relevant here, then this must be taken into consideration as well

http://newsok.com/osu-coaches-kurt-budke-miranda-serna-and-two-people-die-in-plane-crash/article/3624385
Actually, this was my post. I didn't say that Oklahoma State was necessarily affected by this incident, just that if the human element was being introduced into the discussion, that this should be considered. However, I can see how the mindsets of these young men may be affected, in ALL of these intances.
Dec 7, 2011 12:24pm
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Dec 7, 2011 12:27 PM
karen lotz;1005576 wrote:The human element doesn't matter once the game starts. No one gave Notre Dame a pass for losing, you are trying to argue that Kansas might have been impacted during their loss to Kansas so you can say Oklahoma State was affected during their loss to Iowa State. You can't pick and choose when to allow something like that to help your argument.
no one gives a shit about an emo video taper. it's a mute point. you are hte biggest girl when it comes to notre dame.
Dec 7, 2011 12:27pm
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Dec 7, 2011 12:49 PM
karen lotz;1005576 wrote:The human element doesn't matter once the game starts. No one gave Notre Dame a pass for losing
They would have lost anyway.
Dec 7, 2011 12:49pm
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Dec 7, 2011 9:06 PM
Well, if the #1 team beat you on your own turf, I really don't understand how you can claim the national title getting a split on a neutral field. So I guess it should be someone other than Alabama.
Dec 7, 2011 9:06pm
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Dec 7, 2011 9:14 PM
gut;1006223 wrote:Well, if the #1 team beat you on your own turf, I really don't understand how you can claim the national title getting a split on a neutral field. So I guess it should be someone other than Alabama.
If that happens the obvious answer is for all 12 SEC teams to share the national championship and all get a trophy. They all deserve it because of their SEC speed. Gary Danielson can present each school the trophy in person. Don't try to argue against that logic, it is science.
Dec 7, 2011 9:14pm
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Dec 7, 2011 9:22 PM
gut;1006223 wrote:Well, if the #1 team beat you on your own turf, I really don't understand how you can claim the national title getting a split on a neutral field. So I guess it should be someone other than Alabama.
Manhattan Buckeye;1006232 wrote:If that happens the obvious answer is for all 12 SEC teams to share the national championship and all get a trophy. They all deserve it because of their SEC speed. Gary Danielson can present each school the trophy in person. Don't try to argue against that logic, it is science.
I'll take these two posts as stamps of approval.

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Dec 7, 2011 9:22pm
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Dec 7, 2011 9:35 PM
OK ST lost shortly after hearing about a couple of tragic deaths.

Alabama lost @ home to LSU after having an extra week to prepare for the "Game of the Century" LOL...

People who argue that the BCS is ok because every week of the regular season is a playoff, just had that argument slap them in the face.

If every week were truly a playoff, we wouldn't be seeing a rematch of two teams who already played, with the losing team losing @ home.

Not only did Alabama lose, but they looked horrible. Missed FG's and all.

BCS is a JOKE. I've seen Bama - LSU and have no desire to see it again.

LSU is probably the best team this season, but I think OK St deserved a shot.
Dec 7, 2011 9:35pm