jaco;1276720 wrote:Yuck it up while you can. You guys will return to the dregs of the league, don't worry. That's the natural state of things. Smithville, Waynedale, Dalton and then all those other scrub schools. I think Waynedale even had something like a 24 year winning streak against Norwayne, if I'm not mistaken. Call us back in two decades.

Anyone who has been around Wayne county football for a while would agree that wayndale will be back again. I think norwayne has built a program that will keep good football in creston for a while. Lets face it every school in our area have about the same kind of kids. They all put their pants on one leg at a time. Teams will have good years and then some down years. It is just how it works in small schools

99bobcatdb;1276810 wrote:Anyone who has been around Wayne county football for a while would agree that wayndale will be back again. I think norwayne has built a program that will keep good football in creston for a while. Lets face it every school in our area have about the same kind of kids. They all put their pants on one leg at a time. Teams will have good years and then some down years. It is just how it works in small schools

This! Well said.

99bobcatdb;1276810 wrote:Anyone who has been around Wayne county football for a while would agree that wayndale will be back again. I think norwayne has built a program that will keep good football in creston for a while. Lets face it every school in our area have about the same kind of kids. They all put their pants on one leg at a time. Teams will have good years and then some down years. It is just how it works in small schools

On that note, I'm putting another habanero in the chili....(for my buddy dave who will bring me pizza tonight )

Solid post

elitesmithie05;1276677 wrote:I would rather people bash the coach then the kids in HS. We wanted to talk about sports, well when your team is playing poor we can point out the kids not doing their job or the coach, you choose.

There is certainly a way to discuss this without bashing anyone. I recall a few years ago when the Smithies were down, and people here were calling out Coach Schrock. Like it or not, that makes no sense. The coaching at Smithville was no better or worse during that time, so it seems odd that people would try to point at the coaching as part of the problem.

The guy obviously knew how to win:
- He put together 14 straight winning seasons from 1993 to 2006.
- From 1997 to 2006, his regular season record was 90-10 as a head coach
- He made the playoffs eight years in a row from 1999-2006.
- During that time, he coached the team to a 12-8 playoff record (.600 winning percentage in the PLAYOFFS)
- The team had winning seasons in 24 of his 32 seasons as a head coach (the losing seasons being: 1977, 1978, 1986, 1991, 1992, 2007, 2009, 2010)*

* - Interestingly, the man never had a 5-5 season.

Doesn't matter who you would RATHER blame when it comes to what's true. The track record would indicate that it wasn't the coaching at the time. So all-in-all, I would say it's best to just blame nobody, but if you're going to, make sure you have substantiation, and not hearsay.

Naturally, I'm not saying you've done anything of the sort here. I just don't think I'd "rather bash the coach than the kids." The coaches are investing a lot of their time and energy (and often money as well) to be the coach. They go in knowing they're going to have unhappy parents and players and administrations giving them grief and poor pay in exchange for their willingness to undertake the task of organizing and training four to seven dozen teen boys, putting in long days, staying up late to watch and study films, put together game plans and playbooks, organize depth charts, strategize, and be the administrators of the behind the scenes running of a team.

The coaches aren't in it for the glory, because at small schools like these, they're not going to get much, and most know that going in. Those who don't aren't going to stick around for very long. They do it because they love football and they love the kids.

We can talk about a team's, player's, or coach's weakness. That's fine. But when we call into question their intent, I think we leave the bounds of rational discussion.

Kids may lack focus or drive. That's not to say they're lazy or homebodies. A coach may be tired or distracted. That isn't to say he doesn't care. There's a difference.

99bobcatdb;1276810 wrote:Anyone who has been around Wayne county football for a while would agree that wayndale will be back again. I think norwayne has built a program that will keep good football in creston for a while. Lets face it every school in our area have about the same kind of kids. They all put their pants on one leg at a time. Teams will have good years and then some down years. It is just how it works in small schools

Well said.

Hillsdale
Northwestern
Norwayne by 35
Chippewa
Mansfield Senior
Madison
Triway
Ashland
Kirtland
Massillon

Hillsdale
Northwestern
Norwayne by 40
Chippewa
Mansfield Senior
Wooster
Triway
West Holmes
Kirtland
Massillon

good luck waynedale! i think everyone is pulling for an upset tonight. good luck to the chippies and rittman. big night. go smithies. have a safe ride to your games everyone. play hard safe and lets have some fun! this is county football!! LETS GO GREEN!

855pride;1276899 wrote:good luck waynedale! i think everyone is pulling for an upset tonight. good luck to the chippies and rittman. big night. go smithies. have a safe ride to your games everyone. play hard safe and lets have some fun! this is county football!! LETS GO GREEN!

Not everyone is hoping for an upset! Go Falcons!

Well said O-Trap!

Hillsdale
Northwestern
Norwayne by 42
Rittman
Mansfield Sr
Madison
Triway
West Holmes
Kirtland Massillon

49-6 Norwayne over Waynedale at the Half......

Wcalfan is all smoke...i saw BEAST Sitting at the picnic table..lol and some guy was takin pictures...lol i didnt see anyone there but Beast...everyone knows him.

Hope the young man from wayndale is safe and ok. Prayers go out to him and his family

Zuuercher is a tool. 50 point lead, norwaynes 2nd, 3rd, freshman.....and he still keeps the strarters in only to lose 2 way freshman standout stanley to some sort of injury that the squad took him off the field. After that...he still kept the starters in....so much to say about this game. No stopping Norwayne, but once again, the short side of the field is the est side. Lost several players to injury tonight.

Bobcats have to continue to play into the 2nd half, you cant blame them, gotta play. Its the defenses job to stop them....however once Norwayne sub'd in.....up 50 and Z keeps th starters in.....nice to see R Stanley taken off the field via emergency squad.

Great job Z....and great job wcal fan on the meeting

ghostrider;1276986 wrote:Wcalfan is all smoke...i saw BEAST Sitting at the picnic table..lol and some guy was takin pictures...lol i didnt see anyone there but Beast...everyone knows him.

Didn't feel like talking tonight.

By the way, how did your phone call with our admin go? Ha ha ha...didn't get to far did you?

smithville hung tough for 2 and a half quarters. hillsdale kept switching from a 4 and 5 man front in the 3rd quarter and that looked to the line of smithvilles head spinning. ive heard that games are won at half time with adjustments and i cant agree more with that tonight. what do the falcon faithful think?

Congrats to the Falcons, nice win. On to next week. From reading on here I hope the Waynedale boy's injury isn't too bad. Thoughts and prayers to him. I love hard hitting football, like violent football....but I want everyone to get up after each play. Hope he's alright.

855pride;1277017 wrote:smithville hung tough for 2 and a half quarters. hillsdale kept switching from a 4 and 5 man front in the 3rd quarter and that looked to the line of smithvilles head spinning. ive heard that games are won at half time with adjustments and i cant agree more with that tonight. what do the falcon faithful think?

Smithville has some ball-players, tough game. Coach Williams and staff do a great job of adjusting, both O and D at halftime, see the Manchester game. Although ask me the same question after the Loudonville game and I may have a different response. Such is high school football. Win and your a hero. But in all seriousness, I wouldn't trade our/Hillsdale's coaching staff for any staff in the leauge, but I am bias.

ghostrider;1277014 wrote:Zuuercher is a tool. 50 point lead, norwaynes 2nd, 3rd, freshman.....and he still keeps the strarters in only to lose 2 way freshman standout stanley to some sort of injury that the squad took him off the field. After that...he still kept the starters in....so much to say about this game. No stopping Norwayne, but once again, the short side of the field is the est side. Lost several players to injury tonight.

Bobcats have to continue to play into the 2nd half, you cant blame them, gotta play. Its the defenses job to stop them....however once Norwayne sub'd in.....up 50 and Z keeps th starters in.....nice to see R Stanley taken off the field via emergency squad.

Great job Z....and great job wcal fan on the meeting

Is this guy serious? And others on here wonder why I get so upset with people like him.

855pride;1277017 wrote:smithville hung tough for 2 and a half quarters. hillsdale kept switching from a 4 and 5 man front in the 3rd quarter and that looked to the line of smithvilles head spinning. ive heard that games are won at half time with adjustments and i cant agree more with that tonight. what do the falcon faithful think?

Had to work tonight, but listened to it on the radio. Nice game until the 3rd quarter, no offense but sounded to me like Smithville got tired and hence forth the turnovers and Hillsdales running backs getting loose. At halftime looked like a dog fight. Seems like Smithville is just a step away from having a really good team. I see them getting better each game.

wcalfan;1277032 wrote:Is this guy serious? And others on here wonder why I get so upset with people like him.

However, I shouldn't be surprised. You have a history of this type of ignorant behavior. Nice to see your family member show his face tonight at the game. Can't believe he has the nerve to be out in public after his picture has been plastered all over the internet and tv the last few days. Go ahead, keep making excuses for him....

No coach in their right mind should leave their starters in when the other team is up by that much and has gone to 3rd stringers and freshmen. Inexcusable no matter what team you coach for. I personally don't know anything about the man, but that is wrong.

Falcon;1277047 wrote:No coach in their right mind should leave their starters in when the other team is up by that much and has gone to 3rd stringers and freshmen. Inexcusable no matter what team you coach for. I personally don't know anything about the man, but that is wrong.

Same happened tonight at Dalton....up 46-0 at halftime, Huskies put in 2nd and 3rd stringers, Dalton keeps varsity out. Why take a chance to get boys injured like that? Padding stats? Ego to get a touchdown? Not sure, but you sure hated to see it

Falcon;1277047 wrote:No coach in their right mind should leave their starters in when the other team is up by that much and has gone to 3rd stringers and freshmen. Inexcusable no matter what team you coach for. I personally don't know anything about the man, but that is wrong.

sydfl;1277052 wrote:Same happened tonight at Dalton....up 46-0 at halftime, Huskies put in 2nd and 3rd stringers, Dalton keeps varsity out. Why take a chance to get boys injured like that? Padding stats? Ego to get a touchdown? Not sure, but you sure hated to see it

Might I suggest that the coach believes that the varsity still needs reps, given their play?

The reason coaches ought to put their underclassmen in is for the purpose of gaining them experience, but if your varsity still needs experience, what then?

I sincerely doubt a coach would risk his position and a key starter just to pad stats in a blowout ... unless it's Fairless, maybe.


As for the whole Coach Z discussion, can we please just drop it? On the chance that he's trying to do something good with the boys on the team (wouldn't be the first time he's accomplished that), do you really think you somehow help the situation by adding to his stress level through the incessant mob mentality?

He's not a perfect coach. No coach is. Heck, I don't put him in the top half of coaches in the WCAL. However, as I said before, nobody coaches at such a dinky little school to get accolades or for an alternative agenda. There are too few people in the **** school for there to be any real leverage to be had. If he was honestly in it for selfish reasons, he would have quit a long time ago; especially in light of some of the insufferable fans who seem to insist on painting him as some malicious, manipulative snake. I know I certainly would have a hard time putting up with fans like that, and the only reason I might would be for the kids playing.

Seriously, this attitude could easily lead to the head coach revolving door. Ask Chippewa how much that works.

O-Trap;1277061 wrote:Might I suggest that the coach believes that the varsity still needs reps, given their play?

The reason coaches ought to put their underclassmen in is for the purpose of gaining them experience, but if your varsity still needs experience, what then?

I sincerely doubt a coach would risk his position and a key starter just to pad stats in a blowout ... unless it's Fairless, maybe. ........

Could be...not disagreeing with anyone here, just stating what I seen. I personally cant remember a game that I went to that when a blowout happens, both teams usually use that time for underclassmen, jv, freshmen to get some time in.

855pride;1277017 wrote:smithville hung tough for 2 and a half quarters. hillsdale kept switching from a 4 and 5 man front in the 3rd quarter and that looked to the line of smithvilles head spinning. ive heard that games are won at half time with adjustments and i cant agree more with that tonight. what do the falcon faithful think?

I thought Smithville was pretty tough for the entire game even though the second half scores may not indicate that. I thought it was a smart move for the smithies to switch to the ground & pound coming out of the gates to start the second half. #21 was running with authority and really moving the ball down the field. I was not too impressed with Bates. With all the talk on this board about him I was looking for something spectacular. He had great outside speed, not the best passing skills, but eventually the defense had him figured out. Smithville had some turnovers in the second half that really helped out the Falcons.

As far as defense for the Smithies, I didn't see too many good things out of them. They made some stops, but Hillsdales line dominated the Smithville defensive line. Hillsdale had almost no issues moving down the field.