Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Dec 1, 2011 8:44pm
I am reading Ron Chernow's biography of Hamilton. He's the one founder who's fascinated me the most. His story of coming from nothing in the West Indies to shaping the birth and future of our nation as much as any of his contemporaries in almost beyond belief. Anyway, For those intested in early American history, I highly recommend this superbly written volume.
GoPens
Posts: 2,339
Dec 1, 2011 8:47pm
What? Starting a thread that's not about Muslim terrorists?
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Sonofanump
Dec 1, 2011 10:21pm
Aaron Burr thinks his life was not all that...
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Dec 1, 2011 10:22pm
Aaron Burr is a dickhole.Sonofanump;997233 wrote:Aaron Burr thinks his life was not all that...
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Sonofanump
Dec 1, 2011 10:24pm
What? Are you a Federalist?justincredible;997235 wrote:Aaron Burr is a ****hole.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Dec 1, 2011 10:25pm
Aaron Burr = Winningjustincredible;997235 wrote:Aaron Burr is a ****hole.
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Dec 1, 2011 10:28pm
Aaron Burr from NY=Typical!justincredible;997235 wrote:Aaron Burr is a ****hole.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 1, 2011 10:40pm
Hamilton was a warmonger and was cool with things like the Alien and Sedition act. Go Burr.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Dec 1, 2011 11:04pm
Hamilton must have been a muslim terrorist seeing who the OP is for this thread. I now hate Hamilton.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Dec 2, 2011 7:07am
You're basing this on what?I Wear Pants;997264 wrote:Hamilton was a warmonger and was cool with things like the Alien and Sedition act. Go Burr.
The Equalizer
Posts: 1,003
Dec 2, 2011 7:18am
I just finished a bio of Burr called Fallen Founder which was very good. I'll look into the Hamilton one now. I've always had a fascination with them because their duel was on my birthday.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Dec 2, 2011 7:27am
How was Fallen Founder? Reading about the lives of these guys is fascinating. Very different perspectives that intersected at a critical point in time.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Dec 2, 2011 5:49pm
Wow!! You're 207 years old!!!!The Equalizer;997511 wrote:I just finished a bio of Burr called Fallen Founder which was very good. I'll look into the Hamilton one now. I've always had a fascination with them because their duel was on my birthday.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 2, 2011 9:11pm
Well the part about the alien and sedition act is simply fact, he was a main proponent of it.Dr Winston O'Boogie;997505 wrote:You're basing this on what?
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Dec 3, 2011 5:44pm
I know he supported it, but I want to read further before I make a judgement as it's been a lot of years since I have studied this era. I may be in agreement with you then, I don't know. Where I am currently in Hamiltons life- all I can say is the guy is incredibly compelling. I've read few bios about someone making such a powerful impression on so many at such a young age. He clearly had a remarkable way about him. Washington certainly knew he was very special and kept him close even though they weren't that close personally.I Wear Pants;998505 wrote:Well the part about the alien and sedition act is simply fact, he was a main proponent of it.
Big_Mirg_ZHS
Posts: 2,079
Dec 3, 2011 6:49pm
tl/drDr Winston O'Boogie;999378 wrote:I know he supported it, but I want to read further before I make a judgement as it's been a lot of years since I have studied this era. I may be in agreement with you then, I don't know. Where I am currently in Hamiltons life- all I can say is the guy is incredibly compelling. I've read few bios about someone making such a powerful impression on so many at such a young age. He clearly had a remarkable way about him. Washington certainly knew he was very special and kept him close even though they weren't that close personally.
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Sonofanump
Dec 3, 2011 7:51pm
Wrong thread.Big_Mirg_ZHS;999480 wrote:tl/dr
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Dec 3, 2011 9:52pm
I wish they would bring back the duel. Let these politicicans off themselves. Harry Reid could take on Mitch McConnell. Barney Frank would challenge anyone to a sword fight.
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I Wear Pants
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Dec 4, 2011 12:58am
I'm a history buff so I agree that this is certainly compelling stuff. In fact there is a copy of the Federalist Papers underneath my copy of Portal 2 sitting on my desk right now.Dr Winston O'Boogie;999378 wrote:I know he supported it, but I want to read further before I make a judgement as it's been a lot of years since I have studied this era. I may be in agreement with you then, I don't know. Where I am currently in Hamiltons life- all I can say is the guy is incredibly compelling. I've read few bios about someone making such a powerful impression on so many at such a young age. He clearly had a remarkable way about him. Washington certainly knew he was very special and kept him close even though they weren't that close personally.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Dec 4, 2011 7:56am
What's especially interesting to me about this period is the uncertainty. Time has dulled the idea of the revolution as a routine set of events occuring in linear fashion: colonies fed up with British treatment, colonies galvonize for war, victory acheived, government designed and implemented, everyone lives happily ever after. In reality there was so much uncertainty as to what was going to come next. Proponents of the war of independence had differeent motives. There was a large segment of the population who envisioned a loose confederation of states thereafter with the state courts reigning as the supreme power deciders. Hamilton was interesting to me as he clearly saw the risks associated witht his. You can also easily see the seeds of the civil war being planted.
The Equalizer
Posts: 1,003
Dec 4, 2011 9:00am
It was a very good read. Hamilton and Burr were ahead of their time in campaigning and politicking. They could teach current pols a thing or two.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Dec 4, 2011 2:34pm
Of course cheering for Burr as you did for john walker lindh. Burr was a traitor leading a conspiracy to dismember the United States to establish his own empire. He negotiated with the British for military aid in his plot.I Wear Pants;997264 wrote:Hamilton was a warmonger and was cool with things like the Alien and Sedition act. Go Burr.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Dec 4, 2011 6:45pm
Nerd.I Wear Pants;1000223 wrote:I'm a history buff so I agree that this is certainly compelling stuff. In fact there is a copy of the Federalist Papers underneath my copy of Portal 2 sitting on my desk right now.
Seriously, would you just go hang yourself?isadore;1000726 wrote:Of course cheering for Burr as you did for john walker lindh. Burr was a traitor leading a conspiracy to dismember the United States to establish his own empire. He negotiated with the British for military aid in his plot.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Dec 4, 2011 10:41pm
Burr didn't get to him soon enough. He pushed for a central bank for the main reason of tying big business together with big government, laying the groundwork for the fascist state we have today. When they were writing the Constitution he wanted the president to appoint the governors of the states. The guy was despicable and we would be much better off if he had nothing to do with founding of this country. Read anything by Tom Woods about the time period if you want to know about Hamilton and the other founders.
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I Wear Pants
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Dec 4, 2011 11:33pm
+1dwccrew;1001407 wrote:Nerd.
You only get a +1 because the fascist that runs this site won't let me give you reps.