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Dec 1, 2011 8:44 PM
I am reading Ron Chernow's biography of Hamilton. He's the one founder who's fascinated me the most. His story of coming from nothing in the West Indies to shaping the birth and future of our nation as much as any of his contemporaries in almost beyond belief. Anyway, For those intested in early American history, I highly recommend this superbly written volume.
Dec 1, 2011 8:44pm
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Dec 1, 2011 8:47 PM
What? Starting a thread that's not about Muslim terrorists?
Dec 1, 2011 8:47pm
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Sonofanump

Dec 1, 2011 10:21 PM
Aaron Burr thinks his life was not all that...
Dec 1, 2011 10:21pm
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Dec 1, 2011 10:22 PM
Sonofanump;997233 wrote:Aaron Burr thinks his life was not all that...
Aaron Burr is a dickhole.
Dec 1, 2011 10:22pm
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Dec 1, 2011 10:24 PM
justincredible;997235 wrote:Aaron Burr is a ****hole.
What? Are you a Federalist?
Dec 1, 2011 10:24pm
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Dec 1, 2011 10:25 PM
justincredible;997235 wrote:Aaron Burr is a ****hole.
Aaron Burr = Winning
Dec 1, 2011 10:25pm
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Dec 1, 2011 10:28 PM
justincredible;997235 wrote:Aaron Burr is a ****hole.
Aaron Burr from NY=Typical!
Dec 1, 2011 10:28pm
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Dec 1, 2011 10:40 PM
Hamilton was a warmonger and was cool with things like the Alien and Sedition act. Go Burr.
Dec 1, 2011 10:40pm
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Dec 1, 2011 11:04 PM
Hamilton must have been a muslim terrorist seeing who the OP is for this thread. I now hate Hamilton.
Dec 1, 2011 11:04pm
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Dec 2, 2011 7:07 AM
I Wear Pants;997264 wrote:Hamilton was a warmonger and was cool with things like the Alien and Sedition act. Go Burr.
You're basing this on what?
Dec 2, 2011 7:07am
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Dec 2, 2011 7:18 AM
I just finished a bio of Burr called Fallen Founder which was very good. I'll look into the Hamilton one now. I've always had a fascination with them because their duel was on my birthday.
Dec 2, 2011 7:18am
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Dec 2, 2011 7:27 AM
How was Fallen Founder? Reading about the lives of these guys is fascinating. Very different perspectives that intersected at a critical point in time.
Dec 2, 2011 7:27am
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Dec 2, 2011 5:49 PM
The Equalizer;997511 wrote:I just finished a bio of Burr called Fallen Founder which was very good. I'll look into the Hamilton one now. I've always had a fascination with them because their duel was on my birthday.
Wow!! You're 207 years old!!!!
Dec 2, 2011 5:49pm
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Dec 2, 2011 9:11 PM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;997505 wrote:You're basing this on what?
Well the part about the alien and sedition act is simply fact, he was a main proponent of it.
Dec 2, 2011 9:11pm
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Dec 3, 2011 5:44 PM
I Wear Pants;998505 wrote:Well the part about the alien and sedition act is simply fact, he was a main proponent of it.
I know he supported it, but I want to read further before I make a judgement as it's been a lot of years since I have studied this era. I may be in agreement with you then, I don't know. Where I am currently in Hamiltons life- all I can say is the guy is incredibly compelling. I've read few bios about someone making such a powerful impression on so many at such a young age. He clearly had a remarkable way about him. Washington certainly knew he was very special and kept him close even though they weren't that close personally.
Dec 3, 2011 5:44pm
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Dec 3, 2011 6:49 PM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;999378 wrote:I know he supported it, but I want to read further before I make a judgement as it's been a lot of years since I have studied this era. I may be in agreement with you then, I don't know. Where I am currently in Hamiltons life- all I can say is the guy is incredibly compelling. I've read few bios about someone making such a powerful impression on so many at such a young age. He clearly had a remarkable way about him. Washington certainly knew he was very special and kept him close even though they weren't that close personally.
tl/dr
Dec 3, 2011 6:49pm
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Dec 3, 2011 7:51 PM
Big_Mirg_ZHS;999480 wrote:tl/dr
Wrong thread.
Dec 3, 2011 7:51pm
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Dec 3, 2011 9:52 PM
I wish they would bring back the duel. Let these politicicans off themselves. Harry Reid could take on Mitch McConnell. Barney Frank would challenge anyone to a sword fight.
Dec 3, 2011 9:52pm
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Dec 4, 2011 12:58 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;999378 wrote:I know he supported it, but I want to read further before I make a judgement as it's been a lot of years since I have studied this era. I may be in agreement with you then, I don't know. Where I am currently in Hamiltons life- all I can say is the guy is incredibly compelling. I've read few bios about someone making such a powerful impression on so many at such a young age. He clearly had a remarkable way about him. Washington certainly knew he was very special and kept him close even though they weren't that close personally.
I'm a history buff so I agree that this is certainly compelling stuff. In fact there is a copy of the Federalist Papers underneath my copy of Portal 2 sitting on my desk right now.
Dec 4, 2011 12:58am
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Dec 4, 2011 7:56 AM
What's especially interesting to me about this period is the uncertainty. Time has dulled the idea of the revolution as a routine set of events occuring in linear fashion: colonies fed up with British treatment, colonies galvonize for war, victory acheived, government designed and implemented, everyone lives happily ever after. In reality there was so much uncertainty as to what was going to come next. Proponents of the war of independence had differeent motives. There was a large segment of the population who envisioned a loose confederation of states thereafter with the state courts reigning as the supreme power deciders. Hamilton was interesting to me as he clearly saw the risks associated witht his. You can also easily see the seeds of the civil war being planted.
Dec 4, 2011 7:56am
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Dec 4, 2011 9:00 AM
It was a very good read. Hamilton and Burr were ahead of their time in campaigning and politicking. They could teach current pols a thing or two.
Dec 4, 2011 9:00am
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Dec 4, 2011 2:34 PM
I Wear Pants;997264 wrote:Hamilton was a warmonger and was cool with things like the Alien and Sedition act. Go Burr.
Of course cheering for Burr as you did for john walker lindh. Burr was a traitor leading a conspiracy to dismember the United States to establish his own empire. He negotiated with the British for military aid in his plot.
Dec 4, 2011 2:34pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:45 PM
I Wear Pants;1000223 wrote:I'm a history buff so I agree that this is certainly compelling stuff. In fact there is a copy of the Federalist Papers underneath my copy of Portal 2 sitting on my desk right now.
Nerd.
isadore;1000726 wrote:Of course cheering for Burr as you did for john walker lindh. Burr was a traitor leading a conspiracy to dismember the United States to establish his own empire. He negotiated with the British for military aid in his plot.
Seriously, would you just go hang yourself?
Dec 4, 2011 6:45pm
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Dec 4, 2011 10:41 PM
Burr didn't get to him soon enough. He pushed for a central bank for the main reason of tying big business together with big government, laying the groundwork for the fascist state we have today. When they were writing the Constitution he wanted the president to appoint the governors of the states. The guy was despicable and we would be much better off if he had nothing to do with founding of this country. Read anything by Tom Woods about the time period if you want to know about Hamilton and the other founders.
Dec 4, 2011 10:41pm
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Dec 4, 2011 11:33 PM
dwccrew;1001407 wrote:Nerd.
+1

You only get a +1 because the fascist that runs this site won't let me give you reps.
Dec 4, 2011 11:33pm