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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 28, 2011 6:54pm
Which you'd have thought they would've had more respect having their team (the Colts) ripped from them....Writerbuckeye;991904 wrote:as a city celebrated wildly having stolen something so cherished by so many people.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Nov 28, 2011 7:11pm
I hate Baltimore too, but I think it is a stretch to say that the Browns would have won the SuperBowl after the 2000 season. Modell interferred a lot less after the move and let Ozzie and comp. build a great defense. I'm not sure Modell would have stayed out of the way in Cleveland.BR1986FB;991905 wrote:Here's the problem. I'm 44 and I'm sure Writer is probably my age too. We've seen the "good" years with Sipe, Kosar, etc. When Modell moved this team he took any major shot at a Super Bowl. At one time (late 80's), this team was a consistent winner. Then, they move and have been **** ever since. That 2001 Lombardi Trophy should say 'Cleveland Browns."
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 28, 2011 7:14pm
Perhaps but they certainly wouldn't be the clusterfuck they are now.Al Bundy;991928 wrote:I hate Baltimore too, but I think it is a stretch to say that the Browns would have won the SuperBowl after the 2000 season. Modell interferred a lot less after the move and let Ozzie and comp. build a great defense. I'm not sure Modell would have stayed out of the way in Cleveland.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Nov 28, 2011 7:34pm
wb/br,
appreciate your takes. i was 9 when the move happened so i don't have that sense of the moment for the "good browns" teams. i just know of those teams from highlights and tales from older relatives. i understand the joy and elation (unfortunately the pain and suffering as well) that those teams caused but i wasn't there to experience it like i was for the mid-90s indians or even the early to mid 90s cavs. i know both of those teams, i never really got to know the browns until 99 when the came back.
to me, the browns will always be the browns (they just took three years off in the mid-90s) and the ravens are just some expansion team that formed in 1996 and they happen to be in our division. i get that they used to be "us" but they're not us, we're us. i don't get geared up for them like i do for the steelers (i'd even say they are behind the bengals).
appreciate your takes. i was 9 when the move happened so i don't have that sense of the moment for the "good browns" teams. i just know of those teams from highlights and tales from older relatives. i understand the joy and elation (unfortunately the pain and suffering as well) that those teams caused but i wasn't there to experience it like i was for the mid-90s indians or even the early to mid 90s cavs. i know both of those teams, i never really got to know the browns until 99 when the came back.
to me, the browns will always be the browns (they just took three years off in the mid-90s) and the ravens are just some expansion team that formed in 1996 and they happen to be in our division. i get that they used to be "us" but they're not us, we're us. i don't get geared up for them like i do for the steelers (i'd even say they are behind the bengals).
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 28, 2011 7:37pm
dazed...imagine the excitement of the 90's Tribe x's 100 with the Browns during the Bernie Kosar years. Very exciting/fun time to be a Browns fan.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Nov 28, 2011 7:56pm
I assume the game plan will involve feeding Ray Rice but I have been fooled a couple of times this year.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 28, 2011 8:32pm
i really hope this is a Ray Rice touches the ball 6 times type of game.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Nov 28, 2011 9:41pm
I'm hoping those games are over with for the season.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Nov 30, 2011 12:53am
Is anybody on here going to the game?
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 30, 2011 11:06am
must be nice. i was born in 90. didn't start understanding and following til the browns have came back in 99 and i have seen nothing but shit managment, shit coaches and shit players. im holding out that it changes, but i highly doubt it. i expect the browns to lose every game they play so don't get pissed off the games and it still doesn't help. i would love to see and 8-8 team. thatd be a start.BR1986FB;991992 wrote:dazed...imagine the excitement of the 90's Tribe x's 100 with the Browns during the Bernie Kosar years. Very exciting/fun time to be a Browns fan.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 30, 2011 11:06am
yes.bigdaddy2003;994319 wrote:Is anybody on here going to the game?
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Nov 30, 2011 11:16am
Ah good call. I have a buddy who is going that keeps rubbing it in to me. I will eventually make it down there for a Browns/Ravens game.shook_17;994648 wrote:yes.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Nov 30, 2011 5:19pm
no way your buddy is a browns fanbigdaddy2003;994667 wrote:Ah good call. I have a buddy who is going that keeps rubbing it in to me. I will eventually make it down there for a Browns/Ravens game.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Nov 30, 2011 5:26pm
ThisWriterbuckeye;991904 wrote:I'm twice your age, so imagine having experienced some really good years of football and even a title, and then watching the team you learned football while watching with your dad and grandfather ripped away as a city celebrated wildly having stolen something so cherished by so many people.
Although I'm not by nature a hateful person, I can easily find enough loathing in my heart to cover both Pittsburgh and Baltimore (and Modell). The one difference is: I actually respect Pittsburgh. I will never respect Baltimore because the entire franchise was founded on lies and thievery.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 30, 2011 7:04pm
hahaha. good luck. lucky for you its not in the beginning of the year when all our fans our out. tailgating or not?bigdaddy2003;994667 wrote:Ah good call. I have a buddy who is going that keeps rubbing it in to me. I will eventually make it down there for a Browns/Ravens game.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 30, 2011 7:16pm
A lady I work with( about 45 min from Baltimore) is going to the game this weekend. I told her to make sure she wears all her Baltimore stuff( aka I don't like her and I hope she gets her ass beat )
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 30, 2011 7:36pm
hahaha. thats what she would be getting tooCrimson streak;995308 wrote:A lady I work with( about 45 min from Baltimore) is going to the game this weekend. I told her to make sure she wears all her Baltimore stuff( aka I don't like her and I hope she gets her ass beat )
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 30, 2011 7:45pm
Does anyone think Ray Lewis will take a stab at playing Sunday with that turf toe?
shook_17
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Nov 30, 2011 7:51pm
only pat shurmurBR1986FB;995341 wrote:Does anyone think Ray Lewis will take a stab at playing Sunday with that turf toe?
like_that
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Nov 30, 2011 7:53pm
Pun intended?BR1986FB;995341 wrote:Does anyone think Ray Lewis will take a stab at playing Sunday with that turf toe?
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BR1986FB
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Nov 30, 2011 7:55pm
Don't know about that but I'd imagine he'd have a tough time making cuts.like_that;995354 wrote:Pun intended?
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 30, 2011 7:58pm
Hopefully if he's out the Browns running backs will be able to knife right through the Baltimore defense.
LocoEngineer66
Posts: 790
Nov 30, 2011 11:54pm
BR .... what's your thoughts on Pontbriand being cut??? I think it was a bad move.
I think we have a lot bigger problems than a guy that had two bad snaps in 8 years!
I think we have a lot bigger problems than a guy that had two bad snaps in 8 years!
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Dec 1, 2011 12:08am
Nope. He's a Ravens' fan.dazedconfused;995160 wrote:no way your buddy is a browns fan
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Dec 1, 2011 12:09am
I'm not sure if he is tailgating or not. I wouldn't wear Ravens gear to a game so I shouldn't have to worry about marauding fans when I do go. Hashook_17;995292 wrote:hahaha. good luck. lucky for you its not in the beginning of the year when all our fans our out. tailgating or not?