like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 14, 2011 1:26pm
Yeah, no way in hell I give away 3 first rounders. I wouldn't do it for any current NFL players right now.BR1986FB;972620 wrote:I TAKE that deal if someone offers it but no way I'm giving up that much. Like you said, I don't think the dropoff is that much and I'm not completely sold on Luck being this "can't miss/once in a lifetime QB" that everyone seems to be touting him as.
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JU-ICE
Posts: 259
Nov 14, 2011 1:28pm
Maybe Luck should just pull and Eli and say he will refuse to play for the Colts if they draft him:laugh:
I think the Colts are in a tough spot here, if Manning can play another 3 years, they can use the pick to build the team back up, I think by drafting and keeping Luck they are setting themselves up to be a middle of the road team, who will be in the rebuilding process when Luck is set to take over. So they take Luck and he sits for three years, then how many years after he takes over does it take them to build a quality team around him?
I think the Colts are in a tough spot here, if Manning can play another 3 years, they can use the pick to build the team back up, I think by drafting and keeping Luck they are setting themselves up to be a middle of the road team, who will be in the rebuilding process when Luck is set to take over. So they take Luck and he sits for three years, then how many years after he takes over does it take them to build a quality team around him?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 14, 2011 4:14pm
Except its not that simple. The Colts have made a lot of statements about making Manning a Colt for life, the highest played player in the NFL, etc. I don't think the Colts want to give Manning's legacy to someone else.Laley23;972598 wrote:
Unfortunately, I agree. But I think if they were smart they would trade Manning before Luck. They would get a lot back for Peyton as well.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 14, 2011 4:15pm
Agreed. The team that gives 3 1st's for Luck is a team that won't win a Super Bowl in the next 100 years.like_that;972625 wrote:Yeah, no way in hell I give away 3 first rounders. I wouldn't do it for any current NFL players right now.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Nov 14, 2011 7:23pm
The Colts are screwed right now.
They have a $28 million dollar option bonus due Manning early next year, and he becomes a free agent if it isn't picked up.
How in the world can you spend that kind of coin to pick up the rest of his deal if he misses the whole year.
At the same time, can you really afford to just let him walk not knowing what he has left?
Now that it is looking like a sure thing the Colts will draft first, they have some major decisions to start making.
They have a $28 million dollar option bonus due Manning early next year, and he becomes a free agent if it isn't picked up.
How in the world can you spend that kind of coin to pick up the rest of his deal if he misses the whole year.
At the same time, can you really afford to just let him walk not knowing what he has left?
Now that it is looking like a sure thing the Colts will draft first, they have some major decisions to start making.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Nov 14, 2011 7:49pm
Well, I know legally there has been some behind the scenes going on. Peyton admitted he wasnt healthy when he signed the contract, even though the doctors cleared him from basic stuff. They didnt make him run drills, which would have shown it. Colts may be able to get out of any and all bonuses and options until Manning suits up.IggyPride00;973000 wrote:The Colts are screwed right now.
They have a $28 million dollar option bonus due Manning early next year, and he becomes a free agent if it isn't picked up.
How in the world can you spend that kind of coin to pick up the rest of his deal if he misses the whole year.
At the same time, can you really afford to just let him walk not knowing what he has left?
Now that it is looking like a sure thing the Colts will draft first, they have some major decisions to start making.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Nov 14, 2011 7:56pm
I think Wheedon is better than Barkley. Barkley is having a great year...so far....but he was just average in other years.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Nov 14, 2011 8:06pm
He has progressed the way I expect a QB to progress in college and without being able to throw to Blackman. Also, not that OSU runs a gimmick offense, but it isnt going to translate as well as USCs will.Footwedge;973050 wrote:I think Wheedon is better than Barkley. Barkley is having a great year...so far....but he was just average in other years.
chicago510
Posts: 5,728
Nov 14, 2011 8:10pm
What can you even get for Manning at this point? Is he tradable? Will the fans accept that?
IMO, you cant have Luck and Manning when you have so many other holes to fill to even be competitive.
IMO, you cant have Luck and Manning when you have so many other holes to fill to even be competitive.
Go4alOngbOmB
Posts: 673
Nov 14, 2011 8:31pm
Aaron Rodgers is maybe the best QB in the NFL right now after sitting for 4 years behind Brett Favre......
Imagine what Andrew Luck could do sitting behind and learning from Manning for 3-4 years.....
Sweet JESUS, it would more than likely be like someone cloned Manning and put his robot out there.
If they dont draft Luck, they would be a FOOL, and if Luck doesn't want to learn from the best, shame on him!
Imagine what Andrew Luck could do sitting behind and learning from Manning for 3-4 years.....
Sweet JESUS, it would more than likely be like someone cloned Manning and put his robot out there.
If they dont draft Luck, they would be a FOOL, and if Luck doesn't want to learn from the best, shame on him!
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Nov 14, 2011 8:36pm
Plus, lets not forget Luck isnt necessarily in any rush to play in the NFL. Now, sitting in the NFL is different than PLAYING in college. But he clearly isnt in a rush to become a well paid stud NFL QB, otherwise hed be playing for the Panthers right now.
I also think people need to stop looking at this as a 3-4 year window for the Colts. The single most important piece to a team is a QB. The Colts will have there for 25 years in a row (minus this year) by drafting Luck. Taking someone else may be the short term benefit for Indy with Peyton behind center. But in 3 years when Peyton is gone or deteriorated a shell of his 2000-2009 form they will be QB less and not have much of a future at that point. Take Luck, deal with other issues later. Dont worry about the next 4 years. Set your franchise up for success for the next 15 years.
I also think people need to stop looking at this as a 3-4 year window for the Colts. The single most important piece to a team is a QB. The Colts will have there for 25 years in a row (minus this year) by drafting Luck. Taking someone else may be the short term benefit for Indy with Peyton behind center. But in 3 years when Peyton is gone or deteriorated a shell of his 2000-2009 form they will be QB less and not have much of a future at that point. Take Luck, deal with other issues later. Dont worry about the next 4 years. Set your franchise up for success for the next 15 years.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 15, 2011 7:23am
Wherever Luck is drafted, I don't see him sitting "3 or 4 years." He'll be on the field by his second year if not starting right out of the gate.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Nov 15, 2011 7:54am
Weeden is 28 years old. He will not be drafted until maybe the 6th if hes lucky.Footwedge;973050 wrote:I think Wheedon is better than Barkley. Barkley is having a great year...so far....but he was just average in other years.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Nov 15, 2011 7:57am
Trade the pick.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 15, 2011 9:31am
yupRotinaj;973529 wrote:Weeden is 28 years old. He will not be drafted until maybe the 6th if hes lucky.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Nov 15, 2011 10:12am
GM Bill Polian stated that Peyton Manning is all for the Colts drafting a QB in RD 1 if they decide to go that route. Who knows if that part is true, but the statement makes it seem as though the Colts are already looking into Luck.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 15, 2011 10:36am
#smokescreenLaley23;973654 wrote:GM Bill Polian stated that Peyton Manning is all for the Colts drafting a QB in RD 1 if they decide to go that route. Who knows if that part is true, but the statement makes it seem as though the Colts are already looking into Luck.
jpake1
Posts: 2,389
Nov 15, 2011 1:29pm
I hope he comes back for a 5th year lol.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 15, 2011 3:14pm
The thing I like about Luck, is the fact that, like Peyton, he makes the players around him successful. Manning makes average players look really good, because 95% of the time, he has them in the play that allows them to succeed. Luck does much the same thing with an average Stanford team. He's an on the field co-ordinator, and usually has his guys running a play that will be successful. Alot of guys have strong arms or can run, but the intangibles are what win Super Bowls.Laley23;972612 wrote:Fair enough. I like Barkley a lot and hope the Browns take a loooong look at him if hes available with ATLs pick.
I am more sold on Luck though based on the offense they run and his intangibles he seems to have. Both can make the throws, or so it seems. I like that Stanford runs a power game with like 3 TEs, and he still has a lot of success.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 15, 2011 3:21pm
i would for aarron rodgerslike_that;972625 wrote:Yeah, no way in hell I give away 3 first rounders. I wouldn't do it for any current NFL players right now.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Nov 15, 2011 10:25pm
Being 28 is a plus...not a minus. He will be drafted in the first round.Rotinaj;973529 wrote:Weeden is 28 years old. He will not be drafted until maybe the 6th if hes lucky.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 15, 2011 10:48pm
LOLOLOLOLOLOLFootwedge;974729 wrote:Being 28 is a plus...not a minus. He will be drafted in the first round.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Nov 15, 2011 10:50pm
Do you believe what you type? Why would a team invest a contract on a guy who will be retired after the 1st one ends lol.Footwedge;974729 wrote:Being 28 is a plus...not a minus. He will be drafted in the first round.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 16, 2011 5:05am
As I mentioned earlier, here's your price (three 1st's, two 2nd's)...
If the Colts deal this pick and keep Peyton Manning, then the Cleveland Browns will be the frontrunner to land Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck’s dad Oliver Luck played high school football in Cleveland.
The Browns have the King’s Ransom of picks that the Colts would demand for Luck. Cleveland could offer both of their 2012 first rounders, a 2013 first rounder, a 2012 2nd rounder, and a 2013 2nd rounder or Colt McCoy as a successor to Peyton Manning down the road.
Adam Schefter stated on Sunday NFL Countdown that the team trading for Luck would have to offer 3 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks for Luck. The only teams with the luxury of executing this trade are the Cleveland Browns, the Cincinnati Bengals, and the New England Patriots. These 3 teams have 2 2012 first round picks and a 3rd 2013 first round pick that they could use if they wanted to deal the pick to move up.
Cincinnati has Andy Dalton and New England probably would not give up on Ryan Mallett after one year or draft a quarterback of Luck’s caliber to sit behind Brady for 3 years. Luck will have some leverage if a team deals the pick and multiple teams want him. By process of elimination this means that the Cleveland Browns would be the only team who would have the ammunition trade up for Andrew Luck.
http://www.rantsports.com/mock-draft/2011/11/10/2012-nfl-mock-draft-weekly-update-9/
If the Colts deal this pick and keep Peyton Manning, then the Cleveland Browns will be the frontrunner to land Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck’s dad Oliver Luck played high school football in Cleveland.
The Browns have the King’s Ransom of picks that the Colts would demand for Luck. Cleveland could offer both of their 2012 first rounders, a 2013 first rounder, a 2012 2nd rounder, and a 2013 2nd rounder or Colt McCoy as a successor to Peyton Manning down the road.
Adam Schefter stated on Sunday NFL Countdown that the team trading for Luck would have to offer 3 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks for Luck. The only teams with the luxury of executing this trade are the Cleveland Browns, the Cincinnati Bengals, and the New England Patriots. These 3 teams have 2 2012 first round picks and a 3rd 2013 first round pick that they could use if they wanted to deal the pick to move up.
Cincinnati has Andy Dalton and New England probably would not give up on Ryan Mallett after one year or draft a quarterback of Luck’s caliber to sit behind Brady for 3 years. Luck will have some leverage if a team deals the pick and multiple teams want him. By process of elimination this means that the Cleveland Browns would be the only team who would have the ammunition trade up for Andrew Luck.
http://www.rantsports.com/mock-draft/2011/11/10/2012-nfl-mock-draft-weekly-update-9/
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 16, 2011 9:44am
I don't want Luck if we have to trade 3 1sts and 2 2nds. That's 5 top tier players for 1 top tier player. Not worth it.