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Nov 10, 2011 7:56 PM
Should the law be rewritten that if you don't call the cops after every alleged incident that you are liable for punishment equal to the crime committed(assuming of course it ends up being an accurate allegation)? After all, laws are a collection of the aggregate moral level of every American, and it seems everyone is agreement that Joe Pa is equally to blame for raping young boys.

See someone robbed? Better rush to call the cops otherwise you could spend a month in jail for armed robbery. Someone speeding? Dial 911 immediately. Is this the America you want to live in? Remember, you reap what you sow, book it.
Nov 10, 2011 7:56pm
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Nov 10, 2011 8:01 PM
Do yourself a favor and read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandated_reporter

As someone studying in the medical field, if I ever saw or reasonably suspected sexual child abuse and did not properly report it to authorities, I am civilly and criminally liable for such negligence.

Quit trying to spin this into something its not. You're embarrassing yourself.
Nov 10, 2011 8:01pm
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Nov 10, 2011 8:02 PM
chicago510;967224 wrote:Do yourself a favor and read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandated_reporter

As someone studying in the medical field, if I ever saw or reasonably suspected sexual child abuse and did not properly report it to authorities, I am civilly and criminally liable for such negligence.
Ok cool. Joe Pa is in the clear then since he did report it to "authorities". Also it explicit states this only deals with people who deal with children on a daily basis, and unless you consider colleges to be a place where children frequent, this link is invalid and you are just flat out wrong.

Thanks for the link.
Nov 10, 2011 8:02pm
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Nov 10, 2011 8:06 PM
A mandated reporter often only has to report to a superior (generally considered a proper authority) to get the ball rolling, as he did. Often, universities have chains of command in place regarding this stuff. It does NOT mean that if you hear anything about anything you immediately call the FBI.

When I was an RA at OU, that's how it was for us. We were to report to the RD's, and then it went from there in terms of getting the proper authorities involved.
Nov 10, 2011 8:06pm
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Nov 10, 2011 8:09 PM
I wasn't citing that as an indictment of Joe Pa, just that these kind of laws do exist.

What Joe Pa did, wasn't criminally wrong, thats been said. Criminals arent the only ones who get fired though.
Nov 10, 2011 8:09pm
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Nov 10, 2011 8:12 PM
It is a law. Saw it on Seinfeld.
Nov 10, 2011 8:12pm
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Nov 11, 2011 4:42 AM
When little boys are getting butt raped, you probably should report it to the authorities. Especially when the person that is suspected of committing the acts has had past allegations about his behavior with little boys. But....hey....that's just me.
Nov 11, 2011 4:42am
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Nov 11, 2011 8:32 AM
sleeper;967226 wrote:Ok cool. Joe Pa is in the clear then since he did report it to "authorities". Also it explicit states this only deals with people who deal with children on a daily basis, and unless you consider colleges to be a place where children frequent, this link is invalid and you are just flat out wrong.

Thanks for the link.
Sounds like children DID frequent this college.
Nov 11, 2011 8:32am
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Nov 11, 2011 8:58 AM
sleeper;967219 wrote:Should the law be rewritten that if you don't call the cops after every alleged incident that you are liable for punishment equal to the crime committed(assuming of course it ends up being an accurate allegation)? After all, laws are a collection of the aggregate moral level of every American, and it seems everyone is agreement that Joe Pa is equally to blame for raping young boys.

See someone robbed? Better rush to call the cops otherwise you could spend a month in jail for armed robbery. Someone speeding? Dial 911 immediately. Is this the America you want to live in? Remember, you reap what you sow, book it.
JoePa is not being charged with anything, so your post is fail. Give it up man.
Nov 11, 2011 8:58am
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Nov 11, 2011 9:09 AM
I haven't read every single detail about this situation. And I am not even going to comment on Sleeper post. But I know in Ohio, if there is ANY question about any kind of abuse, Children Services MUCH LEGALLY be called. You don't pass the buck to someone else, a supervisor or otherwise. I can't believe, that either McQueary or Joe Pa, or BOTH are not held legally responsible for reporting this to the proper AUTHORITIES. This I find hard to believe.
Nov 11, 2011 9:09am
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Nov 11, 2011 9:26 AM
centralbucksfan;967592 wrote:I haven't read every single detail about this situation. And I am not even going to comment on Sleeper post. But I know in Ohio, if there is ANY question about any kind of abuse, Children Services MUCH LEGALLY be called. You don't pass the buck to someone else, a supervisor or otherwise. I can't believe, that either McQueary or Joe Pa, or BOTH are not held legally responsible for reporting this to the proper AUTHORITIES. This I find hard to believe.
Thats all well and Good but Ohio's law doesn't apply to Pennsylvania's law. Here is Pennsylvania's law:

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/049/chapter21/s21.502.html

JoePa and McQueary followed the law 100%, the 2 people who didn't were the people JoePa reported to and thats why they have been criminally charged.

btw- The Ohio law requires certain professions to have to call Childrens Services not every citizen is obligated to do so.
Nov 11, 2011 9:26am
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Nov 11, 2011 9:30 AM
Why do people want to turn this into a legal thing? It's not. Breaking a law is not the only reason to lose a job.
Nov 11, 2011 9:30am
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Nov 11, 2011 9:37 AM
WebFire;967610 wrote:Why do people want to turn this into a legal thing? It's not. Breaking a law is not the only reason to lose a job.
Who said it was the only way to lose a job? This is a thread about law. Thats why we are talking about law. Start a thread on 50 ways to lose a job other than breaking the law.
Nov 11, 2011 9:37am
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Nov 11, 2011 9:50 AM
dwccrew;967502 wrote:When little boys are getting butt raped, you probably should report it to the authorities. Especially when the person that is suspected of committing the acts has had past allegations about his behavior with little boys. But....hey....that's just me.
WebFire;967578 wrote:JoePa is not being charged with anything, so your post is fail. Give it up man.
+1 to both.
Nov 11, 2011 9:50am
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Nov 11, 2011 9:52 AM
centralbucksfan;967592 wrote:I haven't read every single detail about this situation. And I am not even going to comment on Sleeper post. But I know in Ohio, if there is ANY question about any kind of abuse, Children Services MUCH LEGALLY be called. You don't pass the buck to someone else, a supervisor or otherwise. I can't believe, that either McQueary or Joe Pa, or BOTH are not held legally responsible for reporting this to the proper AUTHORITIES. This I find hard to believe.
Link?
Nov 11, 2011 9:52am
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Nov 11, 2011 9:54 AM
WebFire;967610 wrote:Why do people want to turn this into a legal thing? It's not. Breaking a law is not the only reason to lose a job.
The point of this thread is to make the point that laws are created from the aggregate moral level of its citizens. Clearly, the law does not accurately reflect these moral opinions due to the backlash against Joe Pa, so I was asking if people think a law should be created to punish those who don't call the police?
Nov 11, 2011 9:54am
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Nov 11, 2011 10:35 AM
chicago510;967224 wrote:Do yourself a favor and read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandated_reporter

As someone studying in the medical field, if I ever saw or reasonably suspected sexual child abuse and did not properly report it to authorities, I am civilly and criminally liable for such negligence.

Quit trying to spin this into something its not. You're embarrassing yourself.
As someone in the education field, we are trained to remove the child from imminent danger as quickly and safely as possible when noticing it. In my eyes, McQueary is criminally/morally wrong, but nobody wants to talk about that. Anyone that works with any type of youth in any activity is trained on health and safety issues.
Nov 11, 2011 10:35am
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Nov 11, 2011 10:41 AM
Should the law be rewritten that if you don't call the cops after every alleged incident that you are liable for punishment equal to the crime committed(assuming of course it ends up being an accurate allegation)?...
I'd rather that everything we determine in our society not be based on law but expect that law be based on our society.

Based on that premise I would answer your question with a no response.
Nov 11, 2011 10:41am
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Nov 11, 2011 10:42 AM
chicago510;967224 wrote:Do yourself a favor and read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandated_reporter

As someone studying in the medical field, if I ever saw or reasonably suspected sexual child abuse and did not properly report it to authorities, I am civilly and criminally liable for such negligence.

Quit trying to spin this into something its not. You're embarrassing yourself.

Do yourself a favor and read the first sentence of your link then do yourself another favor go read the Pennsylvania Law.
Nov 11, 2011 10:42am
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Nov 11, 2011 10:43 AM
Con_Alma;967730 wrote:I'd rather that everything we determine in our society not be based on law but expect that law be based on our society.

Based on that premise I would answer your question with a no response.
Cop out. Typical.
Nov 11, 2011 10:43am
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Nov 11, 2011 10:44 AM
I really dont think many people are saying that Paterno equally to blame here. Most that I have heard/read arent on him as being a sick person at all. It would have been different if he was the one who SAW it happen and didnt call the cops. He was fired not because he really did anything criminal, but because he didnt do more I guess. There are laws/statutes that educators and others are bound to report it to the law, but I dont know how far that reaches in terms of if you are just told about it or what.

That Ginger shoulda have stopped it, and called the police. He is more at fault than Paterno is. JoPa def should have done more, and I agree that he should have been fired, but also that ginger shoulda been shit canned first, and charged for not calling police
Nov 11, 2011 10:44am
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Nov 11, 2011 10:44 AM
sleeper;967736 wrote:Cop out. Typical.
How so? My answer is no. I can't be more direct than that.
Nov 11, 2011 10:44am
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Nov 11, 2011 10:45 AM
There is federal law called The Child Protection Act. The Federal Government has started an investigation into Penn State's handling of this case. This Federal Law is called the Child Protection Act. Within this law it says that anyone who sees or knows about a child molestation MUST report it to the police or local Child protection agency with in a 48 hour period. Failure to do so can result in up to $500 fine and 96 days sin jail. If you think the punishment should be harsher lobby your Senator and Congressman. The American way as opposed to a dictatorship.
Nov 11, 2011 10:45am
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Nov 11, 2011 10:46 AM
Con_Alma;967739 wrote:How so? My answer is no. I can't be more direct than that.
So then you agree Joe Pa is being unfairly treated because people are acting like he raped children even though he didn't?
Nov 11, 2011 10:46am
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Nov 11, 2011 10:46 AM
Big Gain;967741 wrote:There is federal law called The Child Protection Act. The Federal Government has started an investigation into Penn State's handling of this case. This Federal Law is called the Child Protection Act. Within this law it says that anyone who sees or knows about a child molestation MUST report it to the police or local Child protection agency with in a 48 hour period. Failure to do so can result in up to $500 fine and 96 days sin jail. If you think the punishment should be harsher lobby your Senator and Congressman. The American way as opposed to a dictatorship.
No, its report to the proper authorities which in this case is Joe Pa's boss, the AD, BoT, etc..
Nov 11, 2011 10:46am