namod65;1020386 wrote:During his career at OSU, Tressel managed just 3 top 5 classes, and 4 top 10 classes. Texas, Florida, Alabama, USC were all consistently ahead of OSU during his years.

Team rankings from rivals:

2002: 5
2003: 41
2004: 9
2005: 12
2006: 12 (Urban was 2nd)
2007: 15 (Urban was 1st)
2008: 4 (Urban was 3rd)
2009: 3 (Urban was 11th)
2010: 25 (Urban was 2nd)
2011: 11

It's obvious how much better Urban is and how people gave Tress more credit as a recruiter than he deserved. He was AWESOME at turning the lesser ranked players into stars, but it is much easier to win when you have better talent, which is what Urban brings to the table.

Tobias Fünke;1021648 wrote:Urban Meyer also was the head coach at Florida, while Florida State and Miami were "down." The talent as his disposal down there isn't even comparable.

ytownfootball;1021651 wrote:Right, because them being "down" didn't have anything to do with what recruits were being snagged right out from under them in their own state.:rolleyes:

Tobias Fünke;1021664 wrote:That may be true. But let's not pretend that the Florida powers don't essentially take turns being king of the hill and the recruiting class of the leading school is always ridiculous.

I feel like if Mack Brown would have come to Ohio State and done the same thing you would all be proclaiming him the best recruiter ever, and ignoring the fact that he gets 90% of his talent just by offering because there are so many good football players down there. And AGAIN, I think Meyer is a elite recruiter, but it's not like he gets everyone he wants. Some of this drooling is silly and is unwarranted.

se-alum;1021628 wrote:I'd be willing to bet 75% of the UM fanbase couldn't care less about the probation the UM program is on right now, and I'm not saying that's right or wrong. Point is, fanbases are going to downplay their teams transgressions. Didn't expect you to get that worked up over it.

ytownfootball;1021677 wrote:Look, I realize that of all the schools in the mid west that stand to lose the most by a resurgent Michigan and the hiring of Urban Meyer is Notre Dame, but you're really trying to polish a turd with some of your shit.

karen lotz;1021734 wrote:for the most part, Notre Dame and OSU recruit different kids. Just because Cowherd said Notre Dame would be hurt by Meyer at OSU doesn't make it true.

karen lotz;1021734 wrote:for the most part, Notre Dame and OSU recruit different kids. Just because Cowherd said Notre Dame would be hurt by Meyer at OSU doesn't make it true.

karen lotz;1021763 wrote:Guess what, Kelly called Schutt a half hour before he was going to commit to Notre Dame and told him there wasn't room for him. Michigan did basically the same thing a few days later and then he committed to Penn State. Enjoy the truth!

ytownfootball;1021746 wrote:Not a fan of Cowherd, at all. But I would agree. It isn't just Meyer at OSU either, when things pick up generally in the B1G Notre Dame stands to lose the most and I don't really see it as arguable.

karen lotz;1021771 wrote:Notre Dame doesn't recruit just in the Big Ten footprint. It might be more difficult to recruit that area, but it isn't impossible. Look at where their current commits are from and get back to me. Cowherd has zero clue how recruiting works, especially when it comes to Notre Dame. That isn't arguable as much as you want it to be.

WebFire;1021694 wrote:I'm not worked up. It's just ignorant on your part as well as very irrelevant to this thread...errrr...hijacked thread.

se-alum;1021791 wrote:Gotcha, so it's ok for you to take a dig at Buckeye fans, but when it's reciprocated, it's ignorant(lhslep, is that you?)? To think I backed you up as one of the good UM fans on here.

WebFire;1021794 wrote:I took a dig at someone who said they didn't care about the sanctions. Don't be so soft.

Automatik;1021801 wrote:And why should they care?

Should I have had trouble sleeping last night? :laugh:

vball10set;1021431 wrote:shemmy, have you been hitting the eggnog already?

bo shemmy3337;1023166 wrote:No ND has had a top 10 class each of the past 5 years, and they don't win games they should. the stars mean nothing if they don't fit the system.

bo shemmy3337;1023166 wrote:No ND has had a top 10 class each of the past 5 years, and they don't win games they should. the stars mean nothing if they don't fit the system.

LJ;1021550 wrote:I personally thing the only new thing we see is Tressel's Show Cause

Se'Von Pittman and Bri'onte Dunn have both stated to Scout.com's Bill Greene that they will not be changing their mind, and Noah Spence and Tommy Schutt have each reaffirmed their commitment to other sources. It would take a virtual destruction of the campus and eradication of Ohio State as a football program for any of the original 12 commitments to look elsewhere, so I think they're all safe.
In truth, the one year bowl ban should have zero affect on this year's recruiting class and moving forward. The only affect it may have is that Urban Meyer will get more time to focus on recruiting for 2013. Tough break for those who wish to recruit against him.
SCHOOL'S OUT. With the ringing of yesterday's school bell, most high schools around the country put 2011 to bed and will not be back in session until early 2012. For the Buckeyes, that's a pretty darn good thing.
Yesterday, the Buckeyes received the news that the recently committed Dunn would in fact be able to get enrolled in January, putting to rest any hopes that Brady Hoke and UM had about a signing day switch.
Dunn joins fellow 2012 commitments Cordale Jones, Mike Thomas, Tyvis Powell, Jacoby Boren, Josh Perry and Luke Roberts as early enrollees. Steubenville DB Najee Murray was working with his school to enroll early, but was unable to. He hopes to enroll in March.
For the players who enroll early, they get a huge head start not only on learning the playbook, but also getting acclimated to collegiate classes and college life. It's a tremendoud advantage, which I am sure Michigan's AD will complain about.