Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Dec 4, 2011 6:49pm
if you dont think they would use kids or the elderly you vastly under estimate the enemy i have seen first hand.BGFalcons82;1000741 wrote:Wow...that TSA bunch is as sharp as brass tacks thinking an 85 year old woman flying back to Florida is all about Allah Akhbar - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lenore-zimmerman-85-hurt-strip-search-tsa-agents-jfk-airport-article-1.986198#ixzz1fX0OjBnL
Really? Kids under 10 and 85 year old grannies in wheelchairs have a history of being known terrorists? Is there a point where common sense kicks in? Oh wait, we're talking about national security on the American battlefield wherein the Constitution and Bill of Rights are just guidelines today.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Dec 4, 2011 7:12pm
So...have they here? Heavens knows profiling is out.Glory Days;1001429 wrote:if you dont think they would use kids or the elderly you vastly under estimate the enemy i have seen first hand.
Why not wand her? Why not interview her? There are other techniques besides stripping her down and violating her human righrs...whatever those are, eh?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 4, 2011 7:13pm
Then we better frisk everyone everywhere. No telling who's a threat!Glory Days;1001429 wrote:if you dont think they would use kids or the elderly you vastly under estimate the enemy i have seen first hand.
Glory Days
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Dec 5, 2011 9:50am
they also never hijacked a plane here before.... you think we should profile?BGFalcons82;1001518 wrote:So...have they here? Heavens knows profiling is out.
Why not wand her? Why not interview her? There are other techniques besides stripping her down and violating her human righrs...whatever those are, eh?
BGFalcons82
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Dec 5, 2011 2:19pm
That's what I'm saying. There hasn't been any recorded instances of 85 year old grandmas hijacking planes, so why do they get the same treatment as 30 year old males? Ditto for children under 10.Glory Days;1002584 wrote:they also never hijacked a plane here before.... you think we should profile?
Regarding profiling, there are many definitions. You and I have had this argument before about the Israelis and how they provide airport security. They use profiling techniques that we should study and implement. But it takes less intelligence to strip search grandmas than to actually try to find the terrorists. Oh wait...I forgot...the Senate wants to label all Americans potential terrorists, therefore giving them unlimited powers to search, seize, photgraph, grope and detain anyone they damn well please without representation or Constitutionally-granted rights.
Glory Days
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Dec 5, 2011 7:54pm
well really i mean no one did, i can only think of one sort of hijacking, DB Cooper. and profiling doesnt invade anyone's rights?BGFalcons82;1003037 wrote:That's what I'm saying. There hasn't been any recorded instances of 85 year old grandmas hijacking planes, so why do they get the same treatment as 30 year old males? Ditto for children under 10.
Regarding profiling, there are many definitions. You and I have had this argument before about the Israelis and how they provide airport security. They use profiling techniques that we should study and implement. But it takes less intelligence to strip search grandmas than to actually try to find the terrorists. Oh wait...I forgot...the Senate wants to label all Americans potential terrorists, therefore giving them unlimited powers to search, seize, photgraph, grope and detain anyone they damn well please without representation or Constitutionally-granted rights.
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Dec 5, 2011 9:58pm
It does, but at least it's somewhat effective. All this shit we're doing with the scanners, enhanced patdowns/molestation, etc has been shown to be not effective at all. So why continue doing it? Oh right, the dudes at the TSA have interests in the companies that make the equipment. Gotcha.Glory Days;1003439 wrote:well really i mean no one did, i can only think of one sort of hijacking, DB Cooper. and profiling doesnt invade anyone's rights?
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Dec 6, 2011 7:12am
Link?I Wear Pants;1003603 wrote:It does, but at least it's somewhat effective. All this shit we're doing with the scanners, enhanced patdowns/molestation, etc has been shown to be not effective at all. So why continue doing it? Oh right, the dudes at the TSA have interests in the companies that make the equipment. Gotcha.
haha so wait, you are ok with intruding on people's rights when its effective?
what happened to this guy....
I Wear Pants;960310 wrote:Yes this makes everything the TSA does okay.
#fucknoitdoesn't
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 6, 2011 10:28am
I've never been in that line and I never will. You are a dense liberal with a sense of entitlement and an idealistic world that's designed in some sort of fantasy land. Enjoy reality, its not that fun.I Wear Pants;996719 wrote:Sleeper, I won't be joining you on the unemployment line anytime soon.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Dec 6, 2011 2:33pm
You want to talk rights? Like the 4th Amendment rights to search and seizure without cause? Oh wait...I forgot...flying is a privilege and if people want to fly they better be ready to drop trow and show 'em what they got...or don't got. Better to strip search grandma than to actually ascertain whom the potential terrorists are these days.Glory Days;1003439 wrote:well really i mean no one did, i can only think of one sort of hijacking, DB Cooper. and profiling doesnt invade anyone's rights?
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Dec 6, 2011 7:46pm
ah, so its ok to destroy people's rights when its your view, gotcha. what if grandma was an 80 year old muslim. how would you feel then?BGFalcons82;1004433 wrote:You want to talk rights? Like the 4th Amendment rights to search and seizure without cause? Oh wait...I forgot...flying is a privilege and if people want to fly they better be ready to drop trow and show 'em what they got...or don't got. Better to strip search grandma than to actually ascertain whom the potential terrorists are these days.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Dec 6, 2011 9:09pm
I just had a checkpoint patdown last Thursday. Aside from costing me 10 minutes of my life that I won't get back, I fail to see what all the fuss is about. To call that "molestation" is pretty silly.
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Dec 6, 2011 9:53pm
No I didn't say I was okay with it. Just that if we were going to intrude on rights it might as well be fucking effective don't you think?Glory Days;1003852 wrote:Link?
haha so wait, you are ok with intruding on people's rights when its effective?
what happened to this guy....
Just like how many of us would rather we not spent a lot of the stimulus package. But assuming we were going to I think many would have rather we spent it on fixing our terrible bridges or water pipes or something instead of buying people's cars.
Make sense now?
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Dec 6, 2011 9:54pm
Alright Mr.Internet Success Man. I might be dense but I don't pretend like I'm important on the internet at least.sleeper;1004067 wrote:I've never been in that line and I never will. You are a dense liberal with a sense of entitlement and an idealistic world that's designed in some sort of fantasy land. Enjoy reality, its not that fun.
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Dec 6, 2011 9:55pm
Well it costs taxpayers a fuckload of money and isn't effective at all. I thought we'd made that clear by now?fish82;1004928 wrote:I just had a checkpoint patdown last Thursday. Aside from costing me 10 minutes of my life that I won't get back, I fail to see what all the fuss is about. To call that "molestation" is pretty silly.
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gut
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Dec 6, 2011 11:37pm
That argument can be made for most govt programsI Wear Pants;1004988 wrote:Well it costs taxpayers a ****load of money and isn't effective at all.
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Dec 6, 2011 11:46pm
And a lot of them I'm cool with cutting. Especially if they involve an agent of the state touching my no-no places.gut;1005092 wrote:That argument can be made for most govt programs
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gut
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Dec 7, 2011 12:46am
Hey, if I ever see a hottie TSA agent, I'm going for the pat-down! "no no no, sir, she'll do fine"I Wear Pants;1005098 wrote:And a lot of them I'm cool with cutting. Especially if they involve an agent of the state touching my no-no places.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Dec 7, 2011 12:55am
Unfortunately the TSA does not permit cross gender "pat-downs". You will have to settle for Joe with the rough hands and tight grip.gut;1005127 wrote:Hey, if I ever see a hottie TSA agent, I'm going for the pat-down! "no no no, sir, she'll do fine"
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Dec 7, 2011 5:48am
And I'm in agreement with that. The trouble is most methods that are effective, you people have just as much heartburn about.I Wear Pants;1004988 wrote:Well it costs taxpayers a ****load of money and isn't effective at all. I thought we'd made that clear by now?
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Dec 7, 2011 6:56am
reps.fish82;1005165 wrote:And I'm in agreement with that. The trouble is most methods that are effective, you people have just as much heartburn about.
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I Wear Pants
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Dec 7, 2011 11:26pm
False. Most of the things we've been complaining about have been shown to be ineffective.fish82;1005165 wrote:And I'm in agreement with that. The trouble is most methods that are effective, you people have just as much heartburn about.
Glory Days
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Dec 8, 2011 7:28am
whats the test used to determine effective or ineffective?I Wear Pants;1006731 wrote:False. Most of the things we've been complaining about have been shown to be ineffective.
fish82
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Dec 8, 2011 11:19am
I'm speaking of proven successful methods such as:I Wear Pants;1006731 wrote:False. Most of the things we've been complaining about have been shown to be ineffective.
1. Hardcore ethnic and behavioral profiling at the ticket counter/checkpoint.
B. Utilizing intellegence methods (yes, I'm speaking about the eeeeevil Patriot Act) to pinpoint and take out the perps before they get to the airport.
Bottom line, at least one of these two methods are a MUST if true security is to be achieved. If you're not willing to do what it takes to get them prior to arriving at the airport, then sans ticket counter/checkpoint profiling, you're farked.
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Dec 8, 2011 4:41pm
They test to see if they can get guns/knives/bombs through them. They can without a whole lot of difficulty. Therefore they are ineffective. And the cost hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.Glory Days;1006843 wrote:whats the test used to determine effective or ineffective?