Dr Winston O'Boogie;922721 wrote:That's an arbitrary reward for what they do. For some, it's way more than they deserve. For others, it's not ever close. Are you telling me the Cam Newton was worth no more to Auburn (into perpetuity with memorabelia sales) than the cost of his tuition while he was there? Not even close.

queencitybuckeye;922738 wrote:I'd argue the better measure of what the grant is worth is its value as opposed to its cost. Until the current recession, the average college graduate made something on the order of a million dollars more than the average high school grad. That's what the "free" education is worth.

ksig489;921696 wrote:All of this started because OSU did NOT self-report. Tressell lied and covered up...that is why it has gotten as bad as it has. If he reports as soon as he gets word of things...this whole thing would have ended last year with a few suspensions of players. The lies and cover up is what got the NCAA to hit them with a full investigation.

HitsRus;922663 wrote:Gods to the jock sniffer's...pieces of meat to everyone else.

Manhattan Buckeye;923035 wrote:Getting a football scholarship at OSU is tantamount to winning the lottery.

2kool4skool;923039 wrote:Not really. It takes a ton of hard work and talent to get to that level of football.

2kool4skool;923039 wrote:Not really. It takes a ton of hard work and talent to get to that level of football.

Manhattan Buckeye;923070 wrote:Fair enough, but it is no excuse for the dolts that can't understand what a privilege it is to play for OSU and the opportunities it provides. Are the guys that screw up stupid, or just incredibly stupid?

se-alum;922471 wrote:+1. I've always hated when people say that athletes don't get enough for the millions the school makes. Going to college on a full ride scholarship is a luxury. Alot of kids would kill to be able to attend OSU and be virtually debt free four years later. They know what they signed up for, and they should follow the rules accordingly and quit whining about not getting enough from the school.

ksig489;922668 wrote:pieces of meat who get a free education, no debt upon graduation, and pretty much a guaranteed job anywhere in the state because they were a Buckeye.

thedynasty1998;923178 wrote:Guaranteed job? Hardly. Don't put guys like Krenzel in the same category as someone like Tim Schaffer.

Mulva;923053 wrote:The talent part is sort of akin to the lottery. You can't (past a certain point) teach size or speed. It's the luck of the draw. Obviously I agree with the hard work part though.

Fair enough, but it is no excuse for the dolts that can't understand what a privilege it is to play for OSU and the opportunities it provides. Are the guys that screw up stupid, or just incredibly stupid?

HitsRus;923263 wrote:Might not be either...they are 19 year old kids. They may be classified as adults legally, but are reallly just in a 'trial independence' stage of development. They drive their cars too fast, stick their penis in places they shouldn't, drink alcohol to excess or experiment with drugs, and in general do things that are reckless and not well thought out. They are prone to errors of judgement. They push the envelope, skirt the rules and think they won't get caught. It doesn't matter if they play football or if they are studying to be an M.D....but for some reason because they play football we want to hold them to a higher standard and expect them to be angels, grateful for the wonderful opportunities afforded to them. Kids make mistakes. People make mistakes. But in the wonderful world of the NCAA, teachable moments turn into half season suspensions and career ruining events. Good coaches that can be mentors to these kids get trapped into making mistakes themselves.

Let's look what happened here.... some kids committed a minor violation, and because the coach chose not to report it, it became a major infraction. Now we have the dog and pony show that has ensued and all the thousands of dollars wasted, man hours wasted, digging up whatever dirt can be found to ruin careers and lives.
It's bad enough when 19 year old kids do stupid stuff that is reckless and not well thought out....but it is nothing compared to when self righteous adults get involved.

These weren't minor violations, they did the one thing you can't do...get paid as an amateur.

OSU had a group of guys who were hanging out at a tattoo parlor known for distributing drugs.

sleeper;923019 wrote:Actually OSU did self report, Tressel did not. Don't let the actions of one man shape your opinion of the University. Also, don't let one action of a man define who the man is.

That is all.

HitsRus;923361 wrote:as if if it were that cut and dried. They traded memoribilia for tattoos. That might be clear to you and me. Maybe not so much to an inner city kid looking for a few bucks.

thedynasty1998;923314 wrote:Couldn't agree more with your 1st paragraph.

But the minor violations comment isn't true. OSU had a group of guys who were hanging out at a tattoo parlor known for distributing drugs. Put that in perspective and it's indefensible.

Manhattan Buckeye;923269 wrote:Call me self-righteous. I'd rather OSU go 3-9 then have a national championship vacated.

Tressel fouled up big time and absolutely deserved to lose his job. I don't know what he was thinking when he recruited TP and why he covered up the obvious violations...but he did.

These weren't minor violations, they did the one thing you can't do...get paid as an amateur.

It should be clear to Tressel, the AD and the administrators you are donating money to.

They accepted the money, and the job. They needed to do their jobs. Unfortunately, they didn't