LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 14, 2011 2:50pm
Time for what? Time to throw more INT's?Ty Webb;896006 wrote:If the Miami O-Line can give Harris time to through...I don't see how Ohio State wins.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 14, 2011 3:34pm
I disagree LJ.
If Bauserman was able to progress through his reads, there isn't as much of a need for a strong run game. Because Bauserman keeps his head trained on his main target, the lack of a run game is even more evident because he can't convert anything longer than a 3rd and 5.
I'd rather have Miller in who can make plays with his feet to gain yards than have to rely on our patchwork offensive line to put Bauserman in workable 3rd down situations.
Obviously the easy answer is have a strong run game, but against Miami's front 7 I just don't see it.
If Bauserman was able to progress through his reads, there isn't as much of a need for a strong run game. Because Bauserman keeps his head trained on his main target, the lack of a run game is even more evident because he can't convert anything longer than a 3rd and 5.
I'd rather have Miller in who can make plays with his feet to gain yards than have to rely on our patchwork offensive line to put Bauserman in workable 3rd down situations.
Obviously the easy answer is have a strong run game, but against Miami's front 7 I just don't see it.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Sep 14, 2011 3:41pm
Harris is the least of my concerns. He is the definition of terrible.Ty Webb;896006 wrote:If the Miami O-Line can give Harris time to through...I don't see how Ohio State wins.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Sep 14, 2011 3:44pm
It was brought to my attention that we were spoiled by TP's ability to gain 6 or 7 yards when there was nothing there, as opposed to JB just throwing the ball away. IMO Miller would give them this option again, but obviously the coaches don't feel he's ready, and who knows better than the guys who see him every day in practice.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 14, 2011 4:33pm
The OSU offense has never been designed to consistently convert anything over a 3rd and 5. That is why the years OSU lacks a running game, it shows even more.lhslep134;896077 wrote:I disagree LJ.
If Bauserman was able to progress through his reads, there isn't as much of a need for a strong run game. Because Bauserman keeps his head trained on his main target, the lack of a run game is even more evident because he can't convert anything longer than a 3rd and 5.
There is obviously a reason that the coaching staff hasn't played him much. My guess is he turns the ball over or makes really bad decisions. As lackluster as Bauserman was last week, if Miller really was ready and that much better, he would have played. Plus, a freshman on the road always needs a solid running game. Doesn't matter who the freshman is.I'd rather have Miller in who can make plays with his feet to gain yards than have to rely on our patchwork offensive line to put Bauserman in workable 3rd down situations.
Which is the conundrum.Obviously the easy answer is have a strong run game, but against Miami's front 7 I just don't see it.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 14, 2011 4:36pm
We were spoiled by TP last year in general. You know, I have been on forums like this since about 2000, and I honestly cannot remember a full season that people didn't bitch or argue about the OSU QB. The Troy Smith Heisman season was probably about as close as it comes, but hell, TP had comparable stats to that season last year. OSU fans always seem to be pining for the next guy. Hell, one day they were talking QB's on the radio and Krenzel was the guest host and a guy called in and said "yeah you remember that game at Wisconsin that OSU lost in 2003? Scotty McMullen was the best QB on the team and should have been playing that day" with actual hate in his voice. I think that really sums up vocal OSU fans feelings towards OSU QBsvball10set;896091 wrote:It was brought to my attention that we were spoiled by TP's ability to gain 6 or 7 yards when there was nothing there, as opposed to JB just throwing the ball away. IMO Miller would give them this option again, but obviously the coaches don't feel he's ready, and who knows better than the guys who see him every day in practice.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 14, 2011 4:39pm
Everybody always wants perfection. And when they don't get it, they think the next guy will give it to them.LJ;896147 wrote:We were spoiled by TP last year in general. You know, I have been on forums like this since about 2000, and I honestly cannot remember a full season that people didn't bitch or argue about the OSU QB. The Troy Smith Heisman season was probably about as close as it comes, but hell, TP had comparable stats to that season last year. OSU fans always seem to be pining for the next guy. Hell, one day they were talking QB's on the radio and Krenzel was the guest host and a guy called in and said "yeah you remember that game at Wisconsin that OSU lost in 2003? Scotty McMullen was the best QB on the team and should have been playing that day" with actual hate in his voice. I think that really sums up vocal OSU fans feelings towards OSU QBs
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 14, 2011 4:43pm
I understand wanting perfection, but christ, people couldn't wait for Braxton Miller to come based solely just off of TP's play on the field.FatHobbit;896150 wrote:Everybody always wants perfection. And when they don't get it, they think the next guy will give it to them.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 14, 2011 4:52pm
Actually he didn't practice much last week due to being banged up.LJ;896143 wrote:if Miller really was ready and that much better, he would have played.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 14, 2011 4:58pm
My buddy on the team said he practiced all week and the "dinged up" wasn't much more than just sitting out plays here and there for a rest. The coaching staff even then said that had nothing to do with him not playing.lhslep134;896164 wrote:Actually he didn't practice much last week due to being banged up.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 14, 2011 5:04pm
I'm excited to see Miller as much as the next guy, but let's face it, the people who think Miller is better, are just making baseless claims. The Buckeyes have scored 28(21 by the offense) and 42 points in their two games. Two Rod Smith fumbles have likely cost us 2 touchdowns. Until Bauserman shows that they just can't score points with him running the team, I'm okay w/ him playing. Fickell will mix in Miller where he sees fit.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 14, 2011 5:07pm
Plus he doesn't turn the ball over.se-alum;896181 wrote:I'm excited to see Miller as much as the next guy, but let's face it, the people who think Miller is better, are just making baseless claims. The Buckeyes have scored 28(21 by the offense) and 42 points in their two games. Two Rod Smith fumbles have likely cost us 2 touchdowns. Until Bauserman shows that they just can't score points with him running the team, I'm okay w/ him playing. Fickell will mix in Miller where he sees fit.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Sep 14, 2011 6:13pm
Nate Williams had his knee scoped and is out for Miami. It's considered a minor scope, so he should return pretty soon, and isn't expected to miss too many games.
This hurts OSU's depth and pass rushing, obviously. OSU will be even younger on the DL for this game.
This hurts OSU's depth and pass rushing, obviously. OSU will be even younger on the DL for this game.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Sep 14, 2011 6:33pm
damnWriterbuckeye;896213 wrote:Nate Williams had his knee scoped and is out for Miami. It's considered a minor scope, so he should return pretty soon, and isn't expected to miss too many games.
This hurts OSU's depth and pass rushing, obviously. OSU will be even younger on the DL for this game.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 14, 2011 6:34pm
More playing time for Bennett?
stroups
Posts: 3,223
Sep 14, 2011 6:36pm
That sucks, hopefully some of the you guys can step up
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 14, 2011 6:37pm
Hm I read in the Plain Dealer he missed all of practice on Tuesday.LJ;896175 wrote:My buddy on the team said he practiced all week and the "dinged up" wasn't much more than just sitting out plays here and there for a rest. The coaching staff even then said that had nothing to do with him not playing.
Regardless, I either want to see more Miller or a better job of passing from Bauserman.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Sep 14, 2011 6:37pm
Given the expected heat and humidity, and the gargantuan size of the Miami OL, I'm gonna say every available DL will be in the rotation to try and keep people fresh. Hopefully, no more fluid IV's are needed where people miss long periods of the game like Simon did last week.lhslep134;896235 wrote:More playing time for Bennett?
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 14, 2011 6:57pm
Jordan Hall will be the starting RB.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 14, 2011 7:58pm
Pretty much what we've all been saying, but it's nice to know that Hyde is aware of it.
http://theozone.net/football/2011/Miami/hydepatience.html
http://theozone.net/football/2011/Miami/hydepatience.html
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Sep 15, 2011 2:21am
I could take every snap for OSU and OSU would have the advantage.LJ;895879 wrote:Rod Smith could take every snap and OSU should have the advantage in QB
Is there ever a scenario in which you do see Ohio State winning?Ty Webb;896006 wrote:If the Miami O-Line can give Harris time to through...I don't see how Ohio State wins.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Sep 15, 2011 8:03am
Another factor in this game is how the younger and less experienced members of the Buckeyes handle their first road game, with the different surroundings, different hotel, different routine, etc. IMO, this is where we find out who the true leaders of this team are, and that will go a long way in determining our success moving forward....GO BUCKS!!!
Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Sep 15, 2011 8:34am
Like I said... done for this season. After this season, sure... he can try to prove himself again and work himself into getting some touches, and then we'll re-evaluate his performance.vball10set;895901 wrote:who knows...maybe history will repeat itself
http://nhpreps.blogspot.com/2011/05/eddie-eddie-eddie.html
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Sep 15, 2011 9:27am
Maybe, but I doubt it...players nowadays just transfer when they have to sit, so coaches tend to handle them differently..just sayin'Scarlet_Buckeye;896702 wrote:Like I said... done for this season. After this season, sure... he can try to prove himself again and work himself into getting some touches, and then we'll re-evaluate his performance.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Sep 15, 2011 10:32am
If Smith is coachable at all, the fumbling thing can be corrected. If he's not, well there are two more stud running backs already committed to the Buckeyes for next season and he'll just drop further down the depth chart.
I'm going to guess Jordan Hall gets the bulk of the carries (along with Hyde) on Saturday. It was funny: the O-Zone reporter was told by Bollman that Hall was starting, and by Fickell that Hyde was starting.
Perhaps they need to have a cage match (Bollman and Fickell). :laugh:
I'm going to guess Jordan Hall gets the bulk of the carries (along with Hyde) on Saturday. It was funny: the O-Zone reporter was told by Bollman that Hall was starting, and by Fickell that Hyde was starting.
Perhaps they need to have a cage match (Bollman and Fickell). :laugh: