Why hasn't OSU produced good pro quarterbacks?

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Aug 22, 2011 9:41 AM
I am not trolling or hating, I am obviously a huge OSU fan, but it boggles the mind: why can't OSU produce good pro quarterbacks? Simple question, would love to hear your take.

For a program that produces studs across multiple positions, why has this been such an issue?

I am watching Mike & Mike right now, and Cris Carter just said that OSU has only produced one QB that has started 20+ NFL games ... is that true? Did I hear that right?
Aug 22, 2011 9:41am
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Aug 22, 2011 9:50 AM
Just my opinion, but I believe traditionally OSU has been able to be a successful college football program which doesn't rely on great quarterback play.
Aug 22, 2011 9:50am
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Aug 22, 2011 10:04 AM
THE4RINGZ;869933 wrote:Just my opinion, but I believe traditionally OSU has been able to be a successful college football program which doesn't rely on great quarterback play.

I agree. Traditionally we have relied on running the ball and playing good defense.
Aug 22, 2011 10:04am
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Aug 22, 2011 10:06 AM
Because it's a) a crapshoot to have a career in the NFL as a quarterback, and b) it's a different game. Accuracy is not a prerequisite in the college game.
Aug 22, 2011 10:06am
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Aug 22, 2011 10:11 AM
THE4RINGZ;869933 wrote:Just my opinion, but I believe traditionally OSU has been able to be a successful college football program which doesn't rely on great quarterback play.
FatHobbit;869945 wrote:I agree. Traditionally we have relied on running the ball and playing good defense.
Tobias Fünke;869947 wrote:Because it's a) a crapshoot to have a career in the NFL as a quarterback, and b) it's a different game. Accuracy is not a prerequisite in the college game.
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Aug 22, 2011 10:11am
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Aug 22, 2011 10:35 AM
THE4RINGZ;869933 wrote:Just my opinion, but I believe traditionally OSU has been able to be a successful college football program which doesn't rely on great quarterback play.

So, do they purposely not recruit NFL-type quarterbacks or do NFL-type quarterbacks just have no interest?
Aug 22, 2011 10:35am
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Aug 22, 2011 10:38 AM
Tobias Fünke;869947... it's a different game. Accuracy is not a prerequisite in the college game.[/QUOTE wrote:
This. In addition, the Big 10 hasn't traditionally been a QB league meaning a great qb isn't required to win while the NFL is very much a QB league year in and year out with a few exceptions here and there.
Aug 22, 2011 10:38am
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Aug 22, 2011 10:42 AM
Con_Alma;869978 wrote:This. In addition, the Big 10 hasn't traditionally been a QB league meaning a great qb isn't required to win while the NFL is very much a QB league year in and year out with a few exceptions here and there.

Yet studs like Brady, Brees, etc are from the Big 10.

The answers I am reading, while truthful, seem to sidestep the question: granted, you don't need an NFL-quality QB to succeed in college, but doesn't it seem odd that OSU would never produce a QB who's talents translate well at the next level?
Aug 22, 2011 10:42am
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Aug 22, 2011 10:44 AM
The question and explanation are from a macro view as opposed to micro. There have been some widely successful QBs in the NFL come from the big ten as you identified. That doesn't negate the fact that it hasn't traditionally be a QB league.
Aug 22, 2011 10:44am
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Aug 22, 2011 10:45 AM
Con_Alma;869990 wrote:The question and explanation are from a macro view as opposed to micro. There have been some widely successful QBs in the NFL come from the big ten as you identified. That doesn't negate the fact that it hasn't traditionally be a QB league.

I totally get that, but its one thing not being a traditional QB league, and another thing producing zero quality NFL prospects. Just seems very odd to me, that's all.
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Aug 22, 2011 10:47 AM
Could be that they're a product of a run based system, which OSU has always been--and let's face it, Tom Brady WAS NOT an NFL prospect when he was at tsun, but he grew into it after being drafted...it's a crapshoot, and IMO, this is validated if you look at the rosters of NFL teams and see what schools are represented.
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Aug 22, 2011 10:51 AM
BigAppleBuckeye;869992 wrote:I totally get that, but its one thing not being a traditional QB league, and another thing producing zero quality NFL prospects. Just seems very odd to me, that's all.
I guess I can see the peculiar perception possible there.
Aug 22, 2011 10:51am
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Aug 22, 2011 11:01 AM
Con_Alma;870000 wrote:I guess I can see the peculiar perception possible there.

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Aug 22, 2011 11:01am
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Aug 22, 2011 11:52 AM
enigmaax;869974 wrote:So, do they purposely not recruit NFL-type quarterbacks or do NFL-type quarterbacks just have no interest?

They've signed more than their share of elite QBs coming out of high school. It just happens that none of them have made it big in the NFL. But Rex Kern, Schlichter, Hoying, Germaine, Smith and Pryor have all been highly rated QBs at some point in their high school or college careers, whose games simply didn't translate well to being an NFL starting QB. There have even been some, like Justin Zwick, who were very highly rated coming out of high school who didn't even make a mark in college.
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Writerbuckeye;870053 wrote:They've signed more than their share of elite QBs coming out of high school. It just happens that none of them have made it big in the NFL. But Rex Kern, Schlichter, Hoying, Germaine, Smith and Pryor have all been highly rated QBs at some point in their high school or college careers, whose games simply didn't translate well to being an NFL starting QB. There have even been some, like Justin Zwick, who were very highly rated coming out of high school who didn't even make a mark in college.
you can add Joe Pickens to this list, and I'm sure there's more....btw, Apple, I'm assuming CC was referring to Mike Tomczak, correct?
Aug 22, 2011 12:01pm
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Aug 22, 2011 12:07 PM
I knew there was a guy from one of the Cleveland powers that fit the bill, but couldn't think of his name when I was writing it. I didn't include Braxton Miller, either, but he was very highly rated coming out of high school, too. I guess we'll see if he has success at OSU and whether it translates to the NFL when he's done.
Aug 22, 2011 12:07pm
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Aug 22, 2011 12:47 PM
Writerbuckeye;870053 wrote:They've signed more than their share of elite QBs coming out of high school. It just happens that none of them have made it big in the NFL. But Rex Kern, Schlichter, Hoying, Germaine, Smith and Pryor have all been highly rated QBs at some point in their high school or college careers, whose games simply didn't translate well to being an NFL starting QB. There have even been some, like Justin Zwick, who were very highly rated coming out of high school who didn't even make a mark in college.

Then is it that the talent just gets dumbed down by being at Ohio State? One of the original thoughts was that it was because you didn't have to be a great quarterback to play/win at OSU. Schlichter is his own story, we all know what happened there. Hoying and Germaine both threw the ball plenty (over 3000 yards in a season), won a lot of games, and were drafted. I don't know how many people really thought Smith or Pryor are NFL-caliber quarterbacks when they were recruited. Neither of them were particularly strong passers at that time.

All of these guys were very good college QBs at one time or another and all showed what seems like decent enough passing ability. So is it just coincidence that none ever pan out at the next level? (From what I remember, Hoying was on a terrible team the first year he really got a shot and then he ended up cutting it short over an injury by the time he got another chance.)
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Aug 22, 2011 1:00 PM
vball10set;870065 wrote:you can add Joe Pickens to this list, and I'm sure there's more....btw, Apple, I'm assuming CC was referring to Mike Tomczak, correct?

My guess would be Tomczak, but I think he forgot about Kent Graham.
Aug 22, 2011 1:00pm
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Aug 22, 2011 1:08 PM
BigAppleBuckeye;869928 wrote:I am not trolling or hating, I am obviously a huge OSU fan, but it boggles the mind: why can't OSU produce good pro quarterbacks? Simple question, would love to hear your take.

For a program that produces studs across multiple positions, why has this been such an issue?

I am watching Mike & Mike right now, and Cris Carter just said that OSU has only produced one QB that has started 20+ NFL games ... is that true? Did I hear that right?

Colin Cowherd addressed this very same question/issue, and as much as Colin may be a tool, he was completely spot on - it's because OSU QBs don't have to grind. Usually they are surrounded by talent (e.g., decent O-line play & size, speed on the ends, always a sound running game, and a stellar defense to support them).

Look at the major QBs in the NFL today...

Tom Brad - wasn't even the #1 QB at Michigan. Everyone doubted him. He had to "grind."

Peyton Manning - QB at Tennessee (in the SEC), and let's face it, Tennessee is one of the little brothers of the SEC. He had to grind.

Aaron Rodgers - Wasn't highly touted when he went to Cal (3 star recruit). he had to grind.

Matt Ryan - Wasn't highly touted when he went to Boston College (3 star recruit). he had to grind.

Michael Vick - His entire career has been a grind.

Matt Schaub - was a backup too Vick (ironically), and had to grind to earn a starting gig.

OSU QBs rarely have to "grind."
Aug 22, 2011 1:08pm
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Aug 22, 2011 3:04 PM
Scarlet_Buckeye;870179 wrote:Colin Cowherd addressed this very same question/issue, and as much as Colin may be a tool, he was completely spot on - it's because OSU QBs don't have to grind. Usually they are surrounded by talent (e.g., decent O-line play & size, speed on the ends, always a sound running game, and a stellar defense to support them).

Look at the major QBs in the NFL today...

Tom Brad - wasn't even the #1 QB at Michigan. Everyone doubted him. He had to "grind."

Peyton Manning - QB at Tennessee (in the SEC), and let's face it, Tennessee is one of the little brothers of the SEC. He had to grind.

Aaron Rodgers - Wasn't highly touted when he went to Cal (3 star recruit). he had to grind.

Matt Ryan - Wasn't highly touted when he went to Boston College (3 star recruit). he had to grind.

Michael Vick - His entire career has been a grind.

Matt Schaub - was a backup too Vick (ironically), and had to grind to earn a starting gig.

OSU QBs rarely have to "grind."

That's a solid post right there Scarlet, that was the type of banter I was looking for, interesting take.

Could also explain the lack of pro success of guys like Ken Dorsey, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart, etc (although there are some exceptions to that rule, guys like Carson Palmer, etc).
Aug 22, 2011 3:04pm
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BigAppleBuckeye;870317 wrote:That's a solid post right there Scarlet, that was the type of banter I was looking for, interesting take.

Could also explain the lack of pro success of guys like Ken Dorsey, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart, etc (although there are some exceptions to that rule, guys like Carson Palmer, etc).

Carson did have to grind to a degree, though. Coming into his senior season, he was looked at as pretty overrated because his performance never lived up to the hype. Then he had a great senior season and all that talk went away. It might have been more because of personal stigma than where he was rated or how good his team was, but he did have to work hard to improve during college.
Aug 22, 2011 3:08pm
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Aug 22, 2011 3:27 PM
Scarlet_Buckeye;870179 wrote:Colin Cowherd addressed this very same question/issue, and as much as Colin may be a tool, he was completely spot on - it's because OSU QBs don't have to grind. Usually they are surrounded by talent (e.g., decent O-line play & size, speed on the ends, always a sound running game, and a stellar defense to support them).

Look at the major QBs in the NFL today...

Tom Brad - wasn't even the #1 QB at Michigan. Everyone doubted him. He had to "grind."

Peyton Manning - QB at Tennessee (in the SEC), and let's face it, Tennessee is one of the little brothers of the SEC. He had to grind.

Aaron Rodgers - Wasn't highly touted when he went to Cal (3 star recruit). he had to grind.

Matt Ryan - Wasn't highly touted when he went to Boston College (3 star recruit). he had to grind.

Michael Vick - His entire career has been a grind.

Matt Schaub - was a backup too Vick (ironically), and had to grind to earn a starting gig.

OSU QBs rarely have to "grind."

Using that logic, QB's that want to play in the NFL should all play at smaller schools...
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Aug 22, 2011 3:33 PM
FatHobbit;870333 wrote:Using that logic, QB's that want to play in the NFL should all play at smaller schools...

whether by concidence or not, the NFL rosters bear this out--go figure
Aug 22, 2011 3:33pm
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Aug 22, 2011 3:33 PM
FatHobbit;870333 wrote:Using that logic, QB's that want to play in the NFL should all play at smaller schools...

Why do you think the MAC has been so successful producing QBs?
Aug 22, 2011 3:33pm