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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Aug 3, 2011 8:30am
^^^
The Cleveland Browns will win a Super Bowl eventually thats not saying a whole lot. Belichick is an ass-hole but a very successful ass-hole. King Doosher will choke away another AFC championship in 2011.
The Cleveland Browns will win a Super Bowl eventually thats not saying a whole lot. Belichick is an ass-hole but a very successful ass-hole. King Doosher will choke away another AFC championship in 2011.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 3, 2011 8:38am
Tiernan;850525 wrote:^^^
The Cleveland Browns will win a Super Bowl eventually
No, they probably won't.
baseball4
Posts: 279
Aug 4, 2011 12:20am
If by this you mean, "one of the greatest coaches, if not THE greatest to coach the game" then yes.justincredible;850393 wrote:Oh, you mean the guy that hasn't won a Super Bowl in 7 years? He hasn't won a meaningful (read: playoff) game since 2007.
Rex has 4 playoff wins in his first two seasons. He'll win a Super Bowl eventually, I'd say.
Even still, his postseason stats are better than most coaches. He gets players to play to the best of their ability even when they're looked over by many other teams.
And really, are playoff games meaningful? Until the AFC/NFC championship games and the superbowl of course. And even then, Ryan hasn't won either of those.
coyotes22
Posts: 11,298
Aug 4, 2011 12:37am
Now who is the dooosher?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Photo-This-guy-has-a-picture-of-John-Elway-tatt?urn=nfl-wp4497
LOL
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Photo-This-guy-has-a-picture-of-John-Elway-tatt?urn=nfl-wp4497
LOL
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Aug 4, 2011 12:42am
justincredible;850527 wrote:No, they probably won't.
Fuck you. Take it back.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 4, 2011 9:03am
baseball4;851313 wrote:If by this you mean, "one of the greatest coaches, if not THE greatest to coach the game" then yes.
Even still, his postseason stats are better than most coaches. He gets players to play to the best of their ability even when they're looked over by many other teams.
And really, are playoff games meaningful? Until the AFC/NFC championship games and the superbowl of course. And even then, Ryan hasn't won either of those.
Bottom line, Rex has been a better coach than Belichick over the past two years which is the only timeframe we can go by to evaluate the two against each other. Rex is 3-2 vs Bill, including the playoff win last season. Belichick obviously has the resume of one of the best of all-time, but he's still a dick and hasn't won shit in 7 years. The "genius" has sort of worn off, IMO.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 4, 2011 9:05am
Also, Bill won 13 games combined his 1st two seasons as a head coach. Rex has won 24.
GoPens
Posts: 2,339
Aug 4, 2011 9:08am
Granted they were with the Browns, who if they had Vince Lombardi as coach, would still perennially suck.justincredible;851439 wrote:Also, Bill won 13 games combined his 1st two seasons as a head coach. Rex has won 24.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 4, 2011 9:13am
GoPens;851443 wrote:Granted they were with the Browns, who if they had Vince Lombardi as coach, would still perennially suck.
True, but the Jets aren't typically a powerhouse in the NFL. They are usually teh suck.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 4, 2011 9:17am
justincredible;851438 wrote:Bottom line, Rex has been a better coach than Belichick over the past two years which is the only timeframe we can go by to evaluate the two against each other. Rex is 3-2 vs Bill, including the playoff win last season. Belichick obviously has the resume of one of the best of all-time, but he's still a dick and hasn't won shit in 7 years. The "genius" has sort of worn off, IMO.
Heck, by that line of thinking, Mangini is almost on par with the Hoodie for coaching "greatness."
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 4, 2011 9:20am
BR1986FB;851452 wrote:Heck, by that line of thinking, Mangini is almost on par with the Hoodie for coaching "greatness."
How so? Mangini has never won a playoff game.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 4, 2011 9:21am
I'm not trying to discredit what Belichick has done in the past, but until he wins another playoff game he will continue to be overrated.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 4, 2011 9:28am
justincredible;851453 wrote:How so? Mangini has never won a playoff game.
They are 3-3 head to head in the regular season. Belichick gets the nod because he's beaten Mangini's team in the playoffs.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 4, 2011 9:33am
Also, Belichick hasn't won anything since Spygate. Coincidence? 
Probably.
Probably.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 4, 2011 9:33am
Also, Belichick hasn't won anything since Spygate. Coincidence?
Probably.
Probably.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Aug 4, 2011 9:42am
^^^
stutter much?
stutter much?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 4, 2011 9:44am
Tiernan;851460 wrote:^^^
stutter much?
What?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 4, 2011 9:44am
Tiernan;851460 wrote:^^^
stutter much?
What?
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Aug 4, 2011 9:48am
Hey-ohhh
baseball4
Posts: 279
Aug 4, 2011 7:36pm
justincredible;851439 wrote:Also, Bill won 13 games combined his 1st two seasons as a head coach. Rex has won 24.
Rex had the money to toy around with even in his first season. You know who our "stud" receiver was? Troy Brown. Who was also one of our DB's and our punt returner. When Bill started he had NOBODY. I won't make the argument about who is the better coach. I think stats speak for themselves. Also, the genius hasn't worn off. If it had, Danny Woodhead wouldn't have played a single football game last season. It doesn't matter how good your coaching skills are sometimes you just don't win. Hell, the Yankees pay the their players more than you can imagine and had Joe Torre as skip, but still didn't win every world series.
It just doesn't happen all the time. Winning the Super Bowl isn't easy.
baseball4
Posts: 279
Aug 4, 2011 7:40pm
justincredible;851458 wrote:Also, Belichick hasn't won anything since Spygate. Coincidence?
Probably.
No. Spygate is so blown out of proportion. Stealing signs is a part of every sport. The Patriots just had their camera man standing in the wrong place. Do you really think the Jets or everyone else in the league doesn't steal signs?
How about baseball? It's normal to steal signs.
There's no way around it, Belichick is one of if not the best. All of the excuses in the world can be made, but reality is reality. I won't take anything away from the Jets. Hell, I love Santonio Holmes. I think Sanchez is a tough SOB, I just can't stand Rex. I know it's one of those things where you love or hate him... just like Belichick. I just think he's too obnoxious for the game. He's the equivalent of TO, but as a head coach.
bradmaynard
Posts: 277
Aug 5, 2011 3:43am
justincredible;851459 wrote:Also, Belichick hasn't won anything since Spygate. Coincidence?
Probably.
He actually won 17 straight games starting the week after "Spygate" and was a once in a generation play away from a super bowl that year.
As for the topic, I'm on the fence. Despite the fact that Rex is as loud as he is, you can't say the man isn't a gamer. I think he takes losses more personally than any other coach in the league and his players love him for it. How many other guys can say that Bart Scott threatened another man's well being for poking fun at them? For that I admire him in an odd tribal ankle tat sort of way.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Aug 5, 2011 11:55am
This is the root cause of my hatred towards BB.
"I resign as the HC of the NYJ" scrawled out on a piece of paper. He took $1mil from a dying old man and told an entire organize to fuck off, essentially. I can appreciate what he has done has a head coach and he's obviously one of the best ever, but he'll always be a piece of shit to me.
"I resign as the HC of the NYJ" scrawled out on a piece of paper. He took $1mil from a dying old man and told an entire organize to fuck off, essentially. I can appreciate what he has done has a head coach and he's obviously one of the best ever, but he'll always be a piece of shit to me.