Who would the Reds move in a "fire sale?"

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Jul 29, 2011 3:44 PM
There is a report on MLBTradeRumors that says the Reds are "strongly mulling a sell-a-thon" according to Jayson Stark.

Cordero and Ramon Hernandez are the only 2 names right now I can think of that would draw any interest.
Jul 29, 2011 3:44pm
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Jul 29, 2011 3:51 PM
Ty Webb;845824 wrote:There is a report on MLBTradeRumors that says the Reds are "strongly mulling a sell-a-thon" according to Jayson Stark.

Cordero and Ramon Hernandez are the only 2 names right now I can think of that would draw any interest.

Lewis would probably go to, and possibly Renteria.
Jul 29, 2011 3:51pm
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Jul 29, 2011 3:53 PM
Volquez has been getting interest from teams. Fred Lewis and Miguel Cairo both have value and aren't in the long term plans, as much as I love Cairo and what he's done the last 2 seasons. Contenders are always looking for savvy veterans such as Cairo. Renteria obviously has sucked this year but could be coveted by any playoff bound team needing a back up SS.
Jul 29, 2011 3:53pm
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Jul 29, 2011 3:54 PM
Votto, Phillips would draw interest.
Jul 29, 2011 3:54pm
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Jul 29, 2011 3:57 PM
Commander of Awesome;845839 wrote:Votto, Phillips would draw interest.

If they go, all hell will break loose.
Jul 29, 2011 3:57pm
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Jul 29, 2011 3:58 PM
Why would they sell this year when they have almost everyone locked up for next year?
Jul 29, 2011 3:58pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:00 PM
I'll probably catch hell for this but I wonder what kind of value Stubbs would have. Just curious. I do like Stubbs, even though he drives me nuts sometimes, but I wonder what some teams would give up for a player like him.
Jul 29, 2011 4:00pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:10 PM
This has been a confusing trade deadline as a Reds fan. One second I hear the Reds are looking to add, then I hear they're looking to unload.
Jul 29, 2011 4:10pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:11 PM
like_that;845847 wrote:Why would they sell this year when they have almost everyone locked up for next year?

I think you deal Ramon because he's a FA after this year I believe, he's 35 years old, and he's having an exceptionally good year. I don't think you can expect this type of production continuing. Also, Mesoraco is pretty good. Ramon will bring you a pretty decent haul IMO.

Coco is also a FA after this year. 36 years old, sometimes wildly inconsistent. I don't think the Reds will try to re-sign him so might as well get something for him.

Cairo is 37 and a FA after next season. He's been good but age is a factor, might as well let him go to a contender and get something for him.

Lewis is a FA after this season. Get something for him if he isn't in your plans.

Volquez is signed through 2011.
Jul 29, 2011 4:11pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:12 PM
I'd listen on everyone. Mesoraco and Hamliton untouchable.....that's it for me.
Jul 29, 2011 4:12pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:17 PM
charliehustle14;845870 wrote:This has been a confusing trade deadline as a Reds fan. One second I hear the Reds are looking to add, then I hear they're looking to unload.

I don't know if Jocketty knows what to do right now. In just a few days, they went from 3 out to 5.5 out, so they're in a situation where they're still in contention, but they're fading. And would have to pass three teams in their division who all are 4+ in front of them. Not an easy situation to decide to go for it or not.
Jul 29, 2011 4:17pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:30 PM
like_that;845847 wrote:Why would they sell this year when they have almost everyone locked up for next year?

Because it's a decently old team, that got swept in the playoffs in 1 year, and the next year will probably finish below or at .500.

It's not like they made it to the World Series or even the NLCS. They just had 1 good year, and now look old. They have an awful manager, as well.

Just not a threatening team, at all. Need to make some moves and get younger, better.
Jul 29, 2011 4:30pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:33 PM
Ironman92;845873 wrote:I'd listen on everyone. Mesoraco and Hamliton untouchable.....that's it for me.

I haven't watched Hamilton before. Is he that good? I just heard he steals a bunch of bases and his defense sucks. I know the Olney reported that the Reds labeled Mesoraco and Hamilton both untouchable
Jul 29, 2011 4:33pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:37 PM
Votto's defense sucked at 1st....now he's slighlty above average.


oh and BTW...I am Buster Olney
Jul 29, 2011 4:37pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:38 PM
Hernandez should be gone regardless. Sell high on him now, his stats are great. He'll be a free agent and Mesoraco is ready
Jul 29, 2011 4:38pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:45 PM
SportsAndLady;845896 wrote:Because it's a decently old team, that got swept in the playoffs in 1 year, and the next year will probably finish below or at .500.

It's not like they made it to the World Series or even the NLCS. They just had 1 good year, and now look old. They have an awful manager, as well.

Just not a threatening team, at all. Need to make some moves and get younger, better.

Kind of a crappy way to look at it for us Reds fans, but it's the truth.

The Reds have a bunch of good young players in the organization, but they also have plenty of older players who don't have many productive years ahead of them. Rolen is already done. Cordero, Cairo, Hernandez are all getting up there.

Last year was just a perfect storm that allowed us to win the NL Central. Got career years out of Gomes and Arroyo, Votto went off and had an MVP season, youth really stepped up (Stubbs, Leake, Wood, Heisey), and we got some of the last bits of major league productivity out of Rolen and Cabrera. Not to mention the quality we got out of vets like Cairo amd Rhodes. Even with all that said, we were still very fortunate last year that we stole as many games late as we did.
Jul 29, 2011 4:45pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:47 PM
True. But I'm more concerned out of defense when it comes to SS than 1B. But with that said, Hamilton can't be worse than the defense Janish and Renteria have given us.
Jul 29, 2011 4:47pm
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Jul 29, 2011 4:49 PM
I would LOVE to see if he is worth a shit or not on defense.
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Jul 29, 2011 4:59 PM
Volquez, Hernandez, Cordero. Cairo. Rolen. Maybe some BP help. I think they would keep Bray, Chapman, maybe Masset if they think he is their next closer...and pretty much anyone else I would presume.

Arroyo possible as well....>BUT...he has deferred money in his contract that would be owed to him if he was traded.

I am about to wring my hands of Volequez. Great potential...but he has had one half of a good year. Got ripped in the all star game and has struggled since.
Jul 29, 2011 4:59pm
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Jul 29, 2011 5:01 PM
Ironman92;845917 wrote:I would LOVE to see if he is worth a **** or not on defense.

Maybe we'll see in like, 4 years. We'll probably have a 'great' SS tandem of Juan Castro and Brenden Ryan by next year that will keep Hamiltom confined to the minors for a few years.
Jul 29, 2011 5:01pm
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Jul 29, 2011 5:09 PM
SportsAndLady;845896 wrote:Because it's a decently old team, that got swept in the playoffs in 1 year, and the next year will probably finish below or at .500.

It's not like they made it to the World Series or even the NLCS. They just had 1 good year, and now look old. They have an awful manager, as well.

Just not a threatening team, at all. Need to make some moves and get younger, better.

I see. I really don't pay that much close attention, I always thought of them as a very young team with players locked up.
Jul 29, 2011 5:09pm
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Jul 29, 2011 5:15 PM
like_that;845929 wrote:I see. I really don't pay that much close attention, I always thought of them as a very young team with players locked up.

Not really. Phillips has a club option for 2012, but after that he's admitted that it'll be hard for Cincy to re-sign him. Votto is signed through 2013. If he stays highly productive, he'll be very hard to re-sign for a small market team like the Reds. Cueto, Bruce, and Leake are pretty much the only 'young' ones locked up.
Jul 29, 2011 5:15pm
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Jul 29, 2011 5:49 PM
The GM says they are not going to sell and feels they are still within striking distance.

I imagine his tune will change if they lose tonight and tomorrow night.
Jul 29, 2011 5:49pm
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Jul 29, 2011 5:53 PM
Last I heard was they were looking to be buyers, but not for this season as much as looking to add pieces for down the road. This could also mean selling pieces that wont be around....so in the process buying via selling.

That means, if they do sell anyone, I would expect they get a young rookie type player or a AAA guy who will be ready soon.
Jul 29, 2011 5:53pm