Ironman92
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Jul 25, 2011 4:02pm
lol
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jul 25, 2011 4:04pm
FYI....Aaron Harang is now 9-2 after just beating Cliff Lee in Philly and Micah Owings is 4-0 for the Diamondbacks.
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Jul 25, 2011 4:12pm
Ironman92;840805 wrote:FYI....Aaron Harang is now 9-2 after just beating Cliff Lee in Philly and Micah Owings is 4-0 for the Diamondbacks.
Havent seen Harang pitch. Whats he doing beside getting people out differently?
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jul 25, 2011 4:12pm
BigAppleBuckeye;840797 wrote:Would love to hear you elaborate on this. Mets new GM Sandy Alderson is awesome, Collins is doing a great job as the new manager, Wilpons have been basically cleared on the Madoff allegations, and their new minority owner is basically a shark who will eventually run the team. Mets have been to 2 NLCS this decade, and 1 World Series, higher attendance than Cincy, etc ... just checking your thoughts.
They also spend a lot, A LOT, more money. There's no reason the nets shouldn't always be good.
Midstate01
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Jul 25, 2011 4:12pm
gerb131;840824 wrote:Havent seen Harang pitch. Whats he doing beside getting people out differently?
Pitching in a huge park
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jul 25, 2011 4:13pm
BigAppleBuckeye;840797 wrote:Would love to hear you elaborate on this. Mets new GM Sandy Alderson is awesome, Collins is doing a great job as the new manager, Wilpons have been basically cleared on the Madoff allegations, and their new minority owner is basically a shark who will eventually run the team. Mets have been to 2 NLCS this decade, and 1 World Series, higher attendance than Cincy, etc ... just checking your thoughts.
Oh and you're wrong, it's impossible to have been to 2 nlcs's this decade.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jul 25, 2011 4:13pm
BigAppleBuckeye;840797 wrote:Would love to hear you elaborate on this. Mets new GM Sandy Alderson is awesome, Collins is doing a great job as the new manager, Wilpons have been basically cleared on the Madoff allegations, and their new minority owner is basically a shark who will eventually run the team. Mets have been to 2 NLCS this decade, and 1 World Series, higher attendance than Cincy, etc ... just checking your thoughts.
Maybe he is saying that the Reds are only 3 games out in the worst division in baseball, while the Mets are 14 back?
karen lotz
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Jul 25, 2011 4:14pm
Midstate01;840826 wrote:Pitching in a huge park
Citizens Bank??
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jul 25, 2011 4:17pm
Harang's only saving grace is pitching at PETCO. Anywhere else he gets lit up.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jul 25, 2011 4:17pm
karen lotz;840829 wrote:Maybe he is saying that the Reds are only 3 games out in the worst division in baseball, while the Mets are 14 back?
That is a big thing, although I don't know if that's the point he was trying to make. You almost have to feel bad for teams like the Mets and Blue Jays, as if they were in either Central Division, they'd be in contention for most of the season...while being in the Easts, they're also-rans.
Like I said, "ALMOST" feel bad for them. I just love my team being barely above .500, but still tied for first place!
BigAppleBuckeye
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Jul 25, 2011 4:17pm
Midstate01;840828 wrote:Oh and you're wrong, it's impossible to have been to 2 nlcs's this decade.
Sorry, 2 NLCS in 11 years (2000 and 2006) ... my bad. Actually, 3 NLCS in 12 years (if you include 1999).
Just saying, its not exactly like the Reds are a poster child of success. I have no beef with Cincy, but then again like Lotz noted, the poster may have been talking about positions in their respective divisional standings.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Jul 25, 2011 4:18pm
Ironman92;840767 wrote:But he's got your boy in there and there is no #12 hole....so they have to be a little higher. I'm going to go add a Janish HR prop...back in a few.
If Janish can make routine plays I'm ok with him getting 40-50% of the starts. I have no doubt he will be slightly improved at the plate, those Louisville coaches are so much better than the staff in Cincy.
Ironman92
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Jul 25, 2011 4:20pm
so are we
Ironman92
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Jul 25, 2011 4:21pm
Harang has just 2 losses......he's had what 10 or 12 starts on the road? He just beat Cliff Lee and the Phillies in Philly...can't knock that.
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dave
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Jul 25, 2011 4:21pm
BigAppleBuckeye;840834 wrote:Sorry, 2 NLCS in 11 years (2000 and 2006) ... my bad. Actually, 3 NLCS in 12 years (if you include 1999).
Just saying, its not exactly like the Reds are a poster child of success. I have no beef with Cincy, but then again like Lotz noted, the poster may have been talking about positions in their respective divisional standings.
The Reds best players are young and under team control for several years, they have a loaded farm system, and have many arms (Chapman, Cueto, Leake, Bailey, Volquez, Wood) that can be #1,2, or 3 starters. Attendance doesn't mean anything when you are comparing a team in Cincinnati with a team in New York.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jul 25, 2011 4:23pm
Azubuike24;840832 wrote:Harang's only saving grace is pitching at PETCO. Anywhere else he gets lit up.
5-2 at PETCO, 4-0 away from PETCO.
BigAppleBuckeye
Posts: 2,935
Jul 25, 2011 4:24pm
dave;840847 wrote:The Reds best players are young and under team control for several years, they have a loaded farm system, and have many arms (Chapman, Cueto, Leake, Bailey, Volquez, Wood) that can be #1,2, or 3 starters. Attendance doesn't mean anything when you are comparing a team in Cincinnati with a team in New York.
It does when there are 2 teams in New York, and one of them is the Yankees! Like I said, no problem with Cincy, just don't see how they are a better organization right now, that's all.
Heretic
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Jul 25, 2011 4:25pm
Ironman92;840846 wrote:Harang has just 2 losses......he's had what 10 or 12 starts on the road? He just beat Cliff Lee and the Phillies in Philly...can't knock that.
Could be that his good home performances have blended into his road starts due to confidence, since so much of the sport is mental. Giving up three homers a start (which is what it felt like he was doing last year, if not exactly factual) does wear on a guy after a while. As a Pirates fan, Charlie Morton is a textbook case of that. A good part of his improvement this year involves his mechanics being tinkered with, but part also is mental. Last year, a blog I read mentioned more than once that he was just mentally out of things after his initial struggles and bad innings would explode into horrible outings.
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thavoice
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Jul 25, 2011 4:25pm
Whats his ERA away and home?
I remember some blaming GABP for some of his ERA and giving up HR troubles and did a search and found his ERA to be less at home than on the road in those bbad seasons.
I remember some blaming GABP for some of his ERA and giving up HR troubles and did a search and found his ERA to be less at home than on the road in those bbad seasons.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Jul 25, 2011 4:25pm
Ironman92;840846 wrote:Harang has just 2 losses......he's had what 10 or 12 starts on the road? He just beat Cliff Lee and the Phillies in Philly...can't knock that.
I'm so happy for the dude, too bad he's on a shitty team. There really isn't a team he could go to right now that would be a fit for him either, maybe Detroit.
Pretty sure I've shared this story before, but my wife is a nurse at Children's and Harang came to her floor about once a month. Never had any cameras, media, etc with him. He spent hours there. I assume he did this on all the floors there. He's just a class act all the way around.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jul 25, 2011 4:26pm
thavoice;840859 wrote:Whats his ERA away and home?
I remember some blaming GABP for some of his ERA and giving up HR troubles and did a search and found his ERA to be less at home than on the road in those bbad seasons.
Eh I just looked it up. I think it was right at 4 away and a couple ticks under 3 at home.
4.01 road vs 2.92 home
karen lotz
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Jul 25, 2011 4:27pm
He's also given up 6 HRs in PETCO compared to 3 on the road, albeit in 4 more home starts.
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dave
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Jul 25, 2011 4:30pm
He gave up 5 homers when he got rocked in back to back losses at home awhile back. Only other bad start was at Coors.
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thavoice
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Jul 25, 2011 4:31pm
4.01 is still respectable nowadays in the bigs. Def is helped pitching at home with that ERA. W-L dont tell all the stories. Always like him...glad he is doing well.karen lotz;840863 wrote:Eh I just looked it up. I think it was right at 4 away and a couple ticks under 3 at home.
4.01 road vs 2.92 home
Few weeks they come to Cincy. Local kid is in the rotation for the padres and doing amazingly well. Its trending he, Cory Luebke, could pitch Saturday night vs the reds
Ironman92
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Jul 25, 2011 5:01pm
karen lotz;840853 wrote:5-2 at PETCO, 4-0 away from PETCO.
Spanks attorney lotz....greatly helped me with my case!
Willie McGee was really fast.