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Jul 12, 2011 11:29 PM
se-alum;828513 wrote:They weren't going to punish Tressel until they had completed the investigation and turned their report over to the NCAA.

Then the previous post is wrong about OSU reporting to the NCAA prior to the Yahoo article.

And who is Tressel's boss? The NCAA or OSU? It's dumb to say OSU couldn't penalize Tressel before turning over to the NCAA. He lied to his bosses and knowingly broke NCAA rules. If anyone in America is caught lying to their bosses like that they are fired on the spot. But God forbid OSU from penalizing him immediately rather than waiting for a National Publication releasing the message and being reactive.
Jul 12, 2011 11:29pm
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Jul 12, 2011 11:30 PM
enigmaax;828631 wrote: Found a timeline that answers several of the questions brought up here. It does not appear that Yahoo's inquiries prompted the discovery of information, but Ohio State had also not self-reported prior to Yahoo's discovery of the information.

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— Jan. 16: Presented with the emails, Tressel finally acknowledges them. In its self-report to the NCAA, filed later, Ohio State officials say of Tressel, “As you know, shortly thereafter, you were informed of this and invited to participate” in the investigation.

Is the "you" the NCAA? If so, isn't inviting the NCAA to become involved in the investigation "self-reporting" the violation? I understand that it probably wasn't formally "self-reported," but its not as if OSU could unring the bell.
Jul 12, 2011 11:30pm
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Jul 12, 2011 11:31 PM
thedynasty1998;828386 wrote:I don't think they requested emails from or to Pryor. They wanted emails that included Sarniak's name. I think by denying access to the emails it only raised more questions about a cover up or false statements from OSU.

I not one of those people that thinks "everyone is out to get us" but if OSU feels they are within their rights to withhold these emails then why would they release them? Just because ESPN wants them? As long as Ohio State is complying with the NCAA like they should then ESPN should go kick rocks.
Jul 12, 2011 11:31pm
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Jul 12, 2011 11:35 PM
thedynasty1998;828639 wrote:Then the previous post is wrong about OSU reporting to the NCAA prior to the Yahoo article.

And who is Tressel's boss? The NCAA or OSU? It's dumb to say OSU couldn't penalize Tressel before turning over to the NCAA. He lied to his bosses and knowingly broke NCAA rules. If anyone in America is caught lying to their bosses like that they are fired on the spot. But God forbid OSU from penalizing him immediately rather than waiting for a National Publication releasing the message and being reactive.

LOL... Like Tressel is your typical employee. The guy earned the benefit of the doubt but that obviously wasn't the case in this scenario. The season was over, why wouldn't you just let the facts play out instead of jumping to conclusions?
Jul 12, 2011 11:35pm
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Jul 12, 2011 11:38 PM
dat dude;828640 wrote:Is the "you" the NCAA? If so, isn't inviting the NCAA to become involved in the investigation "self-reporting" the violation? I understand that it probably wasn't formally "self-reported," but its not as if OSU could unring the bell.

That makes sense.
Jul 12, 2011 11:38pm
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Jul 12, 2011 11:57 PM
The last 10 posts or so are hilarious. Florida fans are mad because they think OSU fired Tressel because of Yahoo, when in reality they have no clue what the hell is going on at OSU.

My note to Florida fans, get a life, Florida has their own problems.
Jul 12, 2011 11:57pm
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Jul 13, 2011 12:05 AM
sleeper;828667 wrote:The last 10 posts or so are hilarious. Florida fans are mad because they think OSU fired Tressel because of Yahoo, when in reality they have no clue what the hell is going on at OSU.

My note to Florida fans, get a life, Florida has their own problems.

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Jul 13, 2011 12:05am
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Jul 13, 2011 12:28 AM
sleeper;828667 wrote:The last 10 posts or so are hilarious. Florida fans are mad because they think OSU fired Tressel because of Yahoo, when in reality they have no clue what the hell is going on at OSU.

My note to Florida fans, get a life, Florida has their own problems.

yeah, I got sunburned at the beach last week and now I'm peeling like a TOURIST. Even worse, I have to spend the next 7 days in Ohio. FML
Jul 13, 2011 12:28am
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Jul 13, 2011 8:57 AM
stroups;828641 wrote:I not one of those people that thinks "everyone is out to get us" but if OSU feels they are within their rights to withhold these emails then why would they release them? Just because ESPN wants them? As long as Ohio State is complying with the NCAA like they should then ESPN should go kick rocks.

Unfortunately it doesn't quite work like that. The emails are public record unless covered by certain laws. So if said emails are not covered, ESPN doesn't have to go kick rocks and will get the emails.
Jul 13, 2011 8:57am
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Jul 13, 2011 10:09 AM
thedynasty1998;828639 wrote:Then the previous post is wrong about OSU reporting to the NCAA prior to the Yahoo article.

And who is Tressel's boss? The NCAA or OSU? It's dumb to say OSU couldn't penalize Tressel before turning over to the NCAA. He lied to his bosses and knowingly broke NCAA rules. If anyone in America is caught lying to their bosses like that they are fired on the spot. But God forbid OSU from penalizing him immediately rather than waiting for a National Publication releasing the message and being reactive.
They hadn't given their formal report yet, but the NCAA was firmly entrenched in the investigation at that point.

You can't forget that the hasty firing of Jim O'Brien cost the university millions. I seriously doubt they were going to risk another lawsuit.
Jul 13, 2011 10:09am
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Jul 13, 2011 11:01 AM
thedynasty1998;828639 wrote:Then the previous post is wrong about OSU reporting to the NCAA prior to the Yahoo article.

And who is Tressel's boss? The NCAA or OSU? It's dumb to say OSU couldn't penalize Tressel before turning over to the NCAA. He lied to his bosses and knowingly broke NCAA rules. If anyone in America is caught lying to their bosses like that they are fired on the spot. But God forbid OSU from penalizing him immediately rather than waiting for a National Publication releasing the message and being reactive.

This board really needs a flailing icon. If it had one, I'd be posting it now.

By all accounts, the Board of Trustees initially supported Tressel (barely) and wanted to see how things played out with the investigation. As time progressed, the university kept getting hammered by every media hack this side of the Mississippi River who was looking to make a name for himself and get web hits.

That kind of pressure eventually reaches a boil over point because the Trustees (who have a job of overseeing all aspects of the university, including its good name) don't like how the school is being dragged through the mud. In an effort to stem that tide, they decide to go forward and fire the person most responsible for the problems.

Of course, by this time, there are also enough facts known from the on-going investigation that Ohio State's lawyers can feel comfortable with asking for his resignation, even though he's still under a legal contract. It's the contract that complicates this and makes it unique from most employer-employee situations.

It's also why you don't just "fire someone on the spot" in this case. When OSU did that with O'Brien, it cost the university millions of dollars because they didn't do everything required BY THE CONTRACT for termination.

Understand now?

You really need to let this go. It isn't making you look good.
Jul 13, 2011 11:01am
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Jul 13, 2011 11:47 AM
I never said fire on the spot. I meant disclipine. Why is that hard to understand?

The fact is that Tressel was fired due to media pressure, but they take credit for cutting ties in their reply to the NCAA. It's contradicting.
Jul 13, 2011 11:47am
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Jul 13, 2011 11:59 AM
thedynasty1998;828918 wrote:I never said fire on the spot. I meant disclipine. Why is that hard to understand?

The fact is that Tressel was fired due to media pressure, but they take credit for cutting ties in their reply to the NCAA. It's contradicting.

Dynasty you need to get a life. You're a dumbass.
Jul 13, 2011 11:59am
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Jul 13, 2011 12:04 PM
sleeper;828934 wrote:Dynasty you need to get a life. You're a dumbass.

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Jul 13, 2011 12:04pm
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Jul 13, 2011 12:06 PM
sleeper;828934 wrote:Dynasty you need to get a life. You're a dumbass.

Damn, you are on a serious roll!
Jul 13, 2011 12:06pm
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Jul 13, 2011 12:23 PM
What did I say in my previous post that isn't true?
Jul 13, 2011 12:23pm
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Jul 13, 2011 12:24 PM
thedynasty1998;828918 wrote:I never said fire on the spot. I meant disclipine. Why is that hard to understand?

The fact is that Tressel was fired due to media pressure, but they take credit for cutting ties in their reply to the NCAA. It's contradicting.

True, they should've put him in timeout, immediately!! Maybe a little in-school suspension as well.
Jul 13, 2011 12:24pm
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Jul 13, 2011 12:29 PM
thedynasty1998;828966 wrote:What did I say in my previous post that isn't true?

You're trying to use hindsight to critique a situation that wasn't 100% clear. OSU wanted to discipline Tressel, but they didn't want to just fire him without getting F'd in the ass from complex contract language.

I honestly have no idea how anyone employs you, I'd fire you on the spot for being a condescending dumbass.
Jul 13, 2011 12:29pm
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Jul 13, 2011 12:30 PM
thedynasty1998;828966 wrote:What did I say in my previous post that isn't true?

Stupid, dumb, retarded, shit.
Jul 13, 2011 12:30pm
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Jul 13, 2011 12:35 PM
sleeper;828973 wrote:You're trying to use hindsight to critique a situation that wasn't 100% clear. OSU wanted to discipline Tressel, but they didn't want to just fire him without getting F'd in the ass from complex contract language.

I honestly have no idea how anyone employs you, I'd fire you on the spot for being a condescending dumbass.

So they wait until Yahoo releases an article and disciplines him next day. I'm in agreement that OSU fired him because of media pressure. I'm in agreement that they shouldn't rush to judgement. But discussing those emails is factual information of wrongdoing.

And my problem is that OSU is attempting to say they disassociated with Tressel when're fact is they only did anything at all because of media pressure.
Jul 13, 2011 12:35pm
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Jul 13, 2011 12:39 PM
thedynasty1998;828983 wrote:So they wait until Yahoo releases an article and disciplines him next day. I'm in agreement that OSU fired him because of media pressure. I'm in agreement that they shouldn't rush to judgement. But discussing those emails is factual information of wrongdoing.

And my problem is that OSU is attempting to say they disassociated with Tressel when're fact is they only did anything at all because of media pressure.
The Yahoo article only sped up the process of announcing the firing. They were going to do it anyway, I don't see how this is so hard to understand.
Jul 13, 2011 12:39pm
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Jul 13, 2011 1:55 PM
Okay writerb...i concede defeat. i apologize, i'm starting to side with you on this.
Jul 13, 2011 1:55pm
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Jul 13, 2011 4:11 PM
Didn't ESPN promise OSU a BCS Championship in 2006? OSU should sue ESPN !
Jul 13, 2011 4:11pm
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Jul 13, 2011 8:56 PM
Speedofsand;829240 wrote:Didn't ESPN promise OSU a BCS Championship in 2006? OSU should sue ESPN !

Wow...you are a pathetic piece of shit. God damn fags.
Jul 13, 2011 8:56pm
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-Society-;829463 wrote:Wow...you are a pathetic piece of ****. God damn ****s.

ignore him, society--he gets a little irritable when the window a/c breaks down in his double wide ;)
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