Archive Obama Praises NY Gay Marriage Vote

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FairwoodKing

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Jun 25, 2011 10:22pm

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-ny-gay-marriage-vote-process-working/story?id=13930863

It's just a matter of time before all states (even bigoted ones like Utah) will approve gay marriage. The tide is swinging in that direction.

LJ

Posts: 16,351

Jun 26, 2011 10:08pm

I've notice that as I get older, the less and less I care what other people do when it has absolutely no effect on me.

tk421

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Jun 26, 2011 10:13pm

LJ;814655 wrote:I've notice that as I get older, the less and less I care what other people do when it has absolutely no effect on me.

I agree, could not give less of a shit about gay marriage. I think this country has bigger problems to worry about.

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FairwoodKing

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Jun 26, 2011 10:24pm

The Archbishop of New York made a big fuss about it. But he (like everyone else) will learn in time that giving us rights does not take rights away from anybody else.

ts1227

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Jun 26, 2011 10:25pm

It seems the tide is shifting more toward indifference than necessarily acceptance, but that's good too. Even realizing that it has no bearing on you personally, so therefore who gives a shit is a step in the right direction.

As far as I'm concerned, while no church has to recognize it, I don't see how it can be prevented in the eyes of the government. So long as the government insists upon being involved in marriages, it should be legal in that sense. Ideally, it would go away as a legal thing, everyone would file their taxes individually, and we'd go on with our lives.

sleeper

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Jun 26, 2011 10:29pm

FairwoodKing;814700 wrote:The Archbishop of New York made a big fuss about it. But he (like everyone else) will learn in time that giving us rights does not take rights away from anybody else.

Although I don't really care about gay marriage, it'd be ignorant to say it doesn't affect anyone else. Marriage gives certain tax breaks to people who otherwise would not be getting married and receiving the tax break.

LJ

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Jun 26, 2011 10:30pm

ts1227;814709 wrote:It seems the tide is shifting more toward indifference than necessarily acceptance, but that's good too. Even realizing that it has no bearing on you personally, so therefore who gives a shit is a step in the right direction.

As far as I'm concerned, while no church has to recognize it, I don't see how it can be prevented in the eyes of the government. So long as the government insists upon being involved in marriages, it should be legal in that sense. Ideally, it would go away as a legal thing, everyone would file their taxes individually, and we'd go on with our lives.

The legal issues of marriage go FAR beyond taxes.

ts1227

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Jun 26, 2011 10:31pm

LJ;814726 wrote:The legal issues of marriage go FAR beyond taxes.

That's the one that gets brought up most, so I just left it at that.

LJ

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Jun 26, 2011 10:33pm

ts1227;814731 wrote:That's the one that gets brought up most, so I just left it at that.

Estate issues are probably the biggest

ts1227

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Jun 26, 2011 10:37pm

LJ;814735 wrote:Estate issues are probably the biggest

Yeah, I had family that had to deal with that (aunt never married the guy but they bought a house in there, then split), so I got to see some of the messes they had to deal with to a small extent. I know it can get really convoluted as you add in other variables.

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I Wear Pants

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Jun 27, 2011 12:25am

I have a hard time taking anyone seriously that opposes gay marriage being legal.

tk421

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Jun 27, 2011 1:01am

It would seem to me the last thing the government would want is more people getting married as they have a lower tax bracket than single people. Not to mention all the other tax breaks they get, wonder if gay marriage is legalized in all 50 states what the impact on tax revenue will be.

2kool4skool

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Jun 27, 2011 1:06am

There shouldn't be tax breaks for getting married anyway. But as long as there is, it's silly to get upset about gays being given the same rights.

tk421

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Jun 27, 2011 1:12am

2kool4skool;814868 wrote:There shouldn't be tax breaks for getting married anyway. But as long as there is, it's silly to get upset about gays being given the same rights.

I agree with that. Seems single people will be the only ones left to discriminate against. Being taxed more just for not getting married is bullshit.

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FairwoodKing

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Jun 27, 2011 1:27am

It's true that taxes are one issue with gay marriage, but there are many other issues. Hospital visitation rights are a major issue. I have a lot of friends who were denied visitation rights by their partners' families.

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bo shemmy3337

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Jun 27, 2011 1:58am

sleeper;814724 wrote:Although I don't really care about gay marriage, it'd be ignorant to say it doesn't affect anyone else. Marriage gives certain tax breaks to people who otherwise would not be getting married and receiving the tax break.

Although I agree with what your saying, All those tax breaks are BS IMO as people can get married just for them as long as they are different genders. Point is that it is very easy to take advantage of those benefits for those who qualify and for people who don't they can not have them no matter how legit there love for someone is.

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Con_Alma

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Jun 27, 2011 7:32am

There is absolutely no reason to require State sanctioned marriage. If equal rights are truly the reason this is being sought out, the effort would be better served by ending State sanctioned marriage for all people.

BGFalcons82

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Jun 27, 2011 8:28am

FairwoodKing;813964 wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-ny-gay-marriage-vote-process-working/story?id=13930863

It's just a matter of time before all states (even bigoted ones like Utah) will approve gay marriage. The tide is swinging in that direction.

As long as this remains a state-by-state issue, I've got no problems with it. If, let's say, 80% of those in the Beehive State choose to state a marriage is between a man and a woman, then they should be able to live under that law, wouldn't you agree? Or, is this somehow covered under the Commerce Clause and it thus becomes a federal issue? Unless a house straddles a state's line right through the living room, there's no way this is a federal issue to me.

LJ

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Jun 27, 2011 9:05am

tk421;814865 wrote:It would seem to me the last thing the government would want is more people getting married as they have a lower tax bracket than single people. Not to mention all the other tax breaks they get, wonder if gay marriage is legalized in all 50 states what the impact on tax revenue will be.

Actually they want MORE people hit with the marriage penalty. The only people that the married tax bracket benefits is lower income individuals with nothing to itemize.

Let's say you personally have $8,000 in itemized deductions as a single person, your fiancee takes standard deduction, but you already combine all your money. You have $13,000 in deductions right off the bat. Now let's say you get married, now you only hae $10,000 in deductions.

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queencitybuckeye

Posts: 7,117

Jun 27, 2011 9:58am

Imagine an intellectual of your level being a homophobe. Hard to believe.