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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 27, 2011 10:12am
ernest_t_bass;815019 wrote:Just saying gay marriage is gross doesn't make one a homophobe. Hard to believe.
No, but saying it and having a history of being a general idiot does.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Jun 27, 2011 10:16am
ccrunner609;814991 wrote:gay marriage is gross.
Nothing gross about this IMHO but I have been wrong before.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 27, 2011 10:17am
queencitybuckeye;815023 wrote:No, but saying it and having a history of being a general idiot does.
Since CCrunner is the one you're talking about, I'll say... touché.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 27, 2011 10:18am
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Jun 27, 2011 10:31am
It should remain a state issue -- if the government insists on getting involved. I say this even though Ohio is not progressive in this area, and I'm in favor of that changing.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jun 27, 2011 11:43am
I just went from being completely non-committal on the issue to solidly in favor.BoatShoes;815030 wrote:Nothing gross about this IMHO but I have been wrong before.
Now, if only more than 0.0003% of lesbians actually looked like that, the world would indeed be a cool place.
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FairwoodKing
Posts: 2,504
Jun 27, 2011 4:18pm
I know a lot of lesbians and some of them are very attractive. You'd be surprised.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 27, 2011 4:23pm
There were a ton of hot lesbians in Chicago this weekend. Of course, there were also a ton of unattractive lesbians as well.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jun 27, 2011 5:50pm
So do I. Some are, but as luck would have it, most aren't...at least not in the ballpark of the photos above.FairwoodKing;815392 wrote:I know a lot of lesbians and some of them are very attractive. You'd be surprised.
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FairwoodKing
Posts: 2,504
Jun 27, 2011 7:01pm
At any rate, I think within 20 years gay marriage will happen in all states and the federal government. I just hope I'm still alive to see it.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jun 27, 2011 7:31pm
I think it'll be a little bit quicker than that. It should be anyway.
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FairwoodKing
Posts: 2,504
Jun 27, 2011 7:53pm
I Wear Pants;815506 wrote:I think it'll be a little bit quicker than that. It should be anyway.
You're right, it should be. But you have to remember that it was just a few years ago that homosexual behavior was illegal in Texas. If the state supreme court hadn't shot it down, it still would be. You also have to remember that many states have it in their state's constitution that same-sex marriage is banned. It's going to take a while to undo all this mess.
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Jun 27, 2011 8:19pm
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jun 27, 2011 8:21pm
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Jun 27, 2011 8:23pm
I highly doubt it. The only way this happens is if 5 justices on the Supreme Court by fiat order the remaining states to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. 24 states currently ban same sex marriage in their state constitutions and the federal government does not recognize it. Only six states currently allow it.I Wear Pants;815506 wrote:I think it'll be a little bit quicker than that. It should be anyway.
In 20yrs the feds will have a big problem dealing with the immense amount of debt they accumulated and how to fulfill their medicare and social security obligations. The pitch forks will be out.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jun 27, 2011 8:34pm
Exactly why I think it can/should happen quicker. So we don't have to waste time debating things that are obvious and we can focus on actual problems.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Jun 27, 2011 8:37pm
Forks are coming out sooner than that, major.
Back to the disdain for Texas, it's their state, their will and their law. The feds got nothin to do with it. If you are gay and desire a same sex partner, you've got 6 states to pick from. If you wanna live in Texas, then you're shit outta luck.
Back to the disdain for Texas, it's their state, their will and their law. The feds got nothin to do with it. If you are gay and desire a same sex partner, you've got 6 states to pick from. If you wanna live in Texas, then you're shit outta luck.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jun 27, 2011 8:40pm
That's a pretty terrible logic strain you've got going there.
Would be the same as "if you're black/a woman and want to own property/vote/whatever you've got six states to pick from".
We should not allow bigotry simply because it's "their state, their will, and their law".
And it bears reinforcing that no legalization of gay marriage proposal has ever had anything in it that would force a church to perform or recognize a gay marriage if they are opposed to them. However, there are zero arguments for not allowing marriages in the legal sense of the word.
Would be the same as "if you're black/a woman and want to own property/vote/whatever you've got six states to pick from".
We should not allow bigotry simply because it's "their state, their will, and their law".
And it bears reinforcing that no legalization of gay marriage proposal has ever had anything in it that would force a church to perform or recognize a gay marriage if they are opposed to them. However, there are zero arguments for not allowing marriages in the legal sense of the word.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Jun 27, 2011 8:55pm
It's a state's issue, IWP. Pure and simple. If you don't like the rules of that state, then DON'T MOVE THERE. Pretty simple if you ask me. Ditto for taxes, for example. If you don't like paying confiscatory tax rates in NYC for example, you have the FREEDOM to move to another city. Or do you believe that all city and tax rates should be equal across the entire 57 states?
Your woman/ black example is false equivalence.
Your woman/ black example is false equivalence.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Jun 27, 2011 9:01pm
This is a red herring. Being a black women is not immoral and is not considered so by nearly all Americans. 10's of millions believe homosexuality to be immoral. If they don't want their state to sanction what they believe to be an immoral activity if your not a resident of that state who cares. I could care less New York is legalizing gay marriage. I don't live there.I Wear Pants;815581 wrote:Would be the same as "if you're black/a woman and want to own property/vote/whatever you've got six states to pick from".
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Jun 27, 2011 10:52pm
I've been reading that Cuomo pushed so hard for this to set himself up as the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination in 2016
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 27, 2011 11:03pm
We should legalize gay marriage and give them whatever else they want....Then maybe the gay community can turn their attention to the real issues plaguing this country, since they seem to be the only ones that get shit done!
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Jun 27, 2011 11:03pm
The states elect the president. Considering 24 of them have within their state constitutions bans on same sex marriage and only 6 legally allow it, this makes no political sense at all. If he were to trumpet this as his signature issue he would be toast. What are you reading?Ty Webb;815790 wrote:I've been reading that Cuomo pushed so hard for this to set himself up as the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination in 2016
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Jun 27, 2011 11:06pm
Did you notice were I said the Democratic Nomination?
I said nothing of the national picture...I think our best chance in 2016 lies in Timmy Kaine
I said nothing of the national picture...I think our best chance in 2016 lies in Timmy Kaine
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Jun 27, 2011 11:18pm
He would not get the Democrat nomination either with that arrow in his quiver. Democrats know the states elect the president. The odds would not be in their favor. Why do you think Obama has not come out publicly in support of same sex marriage? He is not stupid.Ty Webb;815829 wrote:Did you notice were I said the Democratic Nomination