HitsRus;812370 wrote:Your words not mine.

Thanks for not quoting/replying to the last sentence of my post.

didn't think it was necessary. you said what you had to say....as did I. Nothing personal.

dat dude;812284 wrote:C'mon. The guy LIED to the NCAA. Is he a bad person? Not at all. In fact, from all the first-hand stories I've heard, he is an exceptional human being. However, he lied to the NCAA and committed a major NCAA infraction. There is no doubt he made this situation 10x worse than what it could have been. If he reports those emails on April of '10, Pryor and the crew sit out Marshall and maybe Miami last year. Instead, it's a huge cluster****. He made his own bed.

He gave the university the legal right and the moral excuse to give the appearance of "Hey we are serious about cleaning this stuff up" and to let him go. That said, I think they made a mistake forcing him out.

HitsRus;812325 wrote:Yeah, he is....so did the punishment fit the crime? The NCAA hasn't even weighed in yet. All this is, is a bunch of candy ass cowards trying to save some illusion of integrity in a system that has none of it.
You keep you coach, and you keep the kid in school, you take the punishment from the NCAA, and you go forward.
Aren't there any real men arounbd here any more.?

Bingo. I think Tressel was ready to take the punishments (bowl bans, scholarship reductions, etc.) and stick with the program and help bring it back, unlike some others who saw the dark clouds on the horizon and bolted to greener pastures. I wish I had the link from back when JT resigned to a blog saying OSU made a mistake (I think Writerbuckeye posted it).

jhay78;812686 wrote:He gave the university the legal right and the moral excuse to give the appearance of "Hey we are serious about cleaning this stuff up" and to let him go. That said, I think they made a mistake forcing him out.

Bingo. I think Tressel was ready to take the punishments (bowl bans, scholarship reductions, etc.) and stick with the program and help bring it back, unlike some others who saw the dark clouds on the horizon and bolted to greener pastures. I wish I had the link from back when JT resigned to a blog saying OSU made a mistake (I think Writerbuckeye posted it).

I still wonder about JT resigning and then Pryor bolting. There may be more to it than we know. It looked really bad to me at the time with all the accusations. He may have known more than we'll ever find out. From what I know to be a FACT so far, I still wish that Tressel was the coach.

FatHobbit;812691 wrote:I still wonder about JT resigning and then Pryor bolting. There may be more to it than we know. It looked really bad to me at the time with all the accusations. He may have known more than we'll ever find out. From what I know to be a FACT so far, I still wish that Tressel was the coach.

Yeah it was bad for awhile. But my understanding of the situation is the powers that be were no longer willing to stick behind JT and so they asked him to resign, not that he said, "Oh crap, they're about to find out more stuff!" Otherwise he would've stepped down back in March.

The further we get from Memorial Day, the more I think he should still be the coach. That sentiment is subject to change however.

jhay78;812916 wrote:Yeah it was bad for awhile. But my understanding of the situation is the powers that be were no longer willing to stick behind JT and so they asked him to resign, not that he said, "Oh crap, they're about to find out more stuff!" Otherwise he would've stepped down back in March.

The further we get from Memorial Day, the more I think he should still be the coach. That sentiment is subject to change however.

I'm disappointed in the powers that be if they caved because of a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors from the media.

^^^As am I. If I remember correctly the thing that seemed to trigger the loss of support from the board was the rumors that were swirling around the cars. Those deals, which have now been shown to be legitimate, were signed off on by the compliance dept. The board may well have overreacted to media exaggeration and canned JT thinking that more was amiss at compliance when in fact, there wasn't.

FatHobbit;812920 wrote:I'm disappointed in the powers that be if they caved because of a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors from the media.

I agree with this. I mentioned back when he resigned and TP quit that there must be something to the rumors, because you wouldn't suddenly fire your coach and have your star QB quit after supporting them for months, unless there was a reason.

Perhaps they felt he would ultimately needed to be fired after the NCAA sanctions, and wanted to get on with it and get an interim coach named. Perhaps the timing was coincidence. Hard to really tell at this point.

Ok, so the price of the cars were about the national or state average...

Where do college students pick up that kind of money if they can't work more than 15 hours a week?

I know I sure didn't make enough money to even think about buying a new car during my college years.

Jughead;813256 wrote:Ok, so the price of the cars were about the national or state average...

Where do college students pick up that kind of money if they can't work more than 15 hours a week?

I know I sure didn't make enough money to even think about buying a new car during my college years.

Co-signer's on loans. Not that hard to figure out. Most likely their parents, as in TP's case.

Don't know where to put this or if it has already been posted but Channing Crowder hints that he sold jerseys while he was at Florida

"I'll say hypothetically I don't have any more of my Florida jerseys," Crowder said Sunday. "There were some Jacksonville businessmen that really hypothetically liked my play."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6710667

stroups;815638 wrote:Don't know where to put this or if it has already been posted but Channing Crowder hints that he sold jerseys while he was at Florida



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6710667

For what it's worth, I have a Ryan Stamper game used jersey. Got it through ebay, so it's hard for me to tell who it came from. I will say that I got it after Stamper left Florida. He was one of my favorite Florida players.

I know you can get used jerseys on ebay and whatever but this dude was obviously hinting that he sold them while he was there. I think I just heard the entire gator nation do a collective facepalm.

stroups;815725 wrote:I know you can get used jerseys on ebay and whatever but this dude was obviously hinting that he sold them while he was there. I think I just heard the entire gator nation do a collective facepalm.

Hypothetically.

myguythetorg the torg

Some very interesting news on ESPN's pursuit of the OSU story. Details that will have u shaking your head. Listen today its not bad news

Some very interesting news on ESPN's pursuit of the OSU story. Details that will have u shaking your head. Listen today its not bad news

I can't fucking wait.

Good lord, now what...saying "it's not bad news" is relevant to what he thinks bad news is, but I guess we'll soon find out. Keep us posted, lotzy.

Seeing as how his "bad breaking news" was last time was that SI was still in town, I bet this will be a bombshell, lol.

karen lotz;816398 wrote:myguythetorg the torg

Some very interesting news on ESPN's pursuit of the OSU story. Details that will have u shaking your head. Listen today its not bad news

What has me shaking my head are radio personalities saying "Please, please, please, listen to my show, I promise there will be shocking details of breaking news!"

vball10set;816421 wrote:Good lord, now what...saying "it's not bad news" is relevant to what he thinks bad news is, but I guess we'll soon find out. Keep us posted, lotzy.

Can't listen today.

jhay78;816483 wrote:What has me shaking my head are radio personalities saying "Please, please, please, listen to my show, I promise there will be shocking details of breaking news!"

Then they make fun of SI for how lame there "breaking" news was.

They just said that ESPN is on a witchhunt and the girl in Columbus investigating has been calling players from the early 90s to try to find out about Dennis Talbott, and that ESPN thinks there's more there even though they can't find anything.

ESPN on a witchhunt? NO! ( see about 12 of my posts on this subject)

the girl in Columbus investigating has been calling players from the early 90s

Look out! Herbie's gonna spill the beans!

The fact that ESPN is just now joining the fray tells you all you need to know about the intelligence and quality of their "investigative journalism" department (unit or whatever). Pathetic.

I hope all those players and others she contacts tell her to go back to Bristol and make something up, just like the SI reporter did. It'll be better reading.

As for your discussion above about why JT left when he did (and Pryor), I think it's pretty simple: the Board of Trustees were hoping by letting JT go the frequency and intensity of media stories would lessen. It has, to a degree. But obviously both SI and ESPN are still digging (probably the Dispatch, too).

Honestly, I think they overreacted to what was going on and the constant drumbeat of columns (mostly) and stories was simply too much for their nerves. It was like a game of chicken and the trustees flinched.

As for Pryor...I think he probably knew if he stayed and had to answer questions, the remainder of his eligibility would be gone, anyway. There's little doubt in my mind that he took enough other benefits to get him suspended for the remainder of his career. So why stick around and put yourself through that when you can try to go the supplemental route and get paid in the process?

Bottom line: I think unless something else in the way of proof shows up between now and August when the NCAA comes back, OSU is looking at vacating the past season and the penalties they've already instituted. I don't see any loss of scholarships, bans or anything else. If that's going to happen, the NCAA will have to rework their letter of allegations and put in failure to monitor or loss of control, neither of which is included in the original allegations.

Once again IF it turns out that nothing more is proven, then the Board made a mistake getting rid of Tressel the way they did. He could have been suspended for the season and come back, and I don't believe it would have hurt OSU in any way, shape or form so far as its national reputation goes -- mostly since the hack jobs of SI and others so far have pretty much tarnished it to the point that people think OSU is constantly cheating, anyway. May as well keep your Hall of Fame coach if that's the case.

^lol

so sad