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BR1986FB
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Jun 8, 2011 11:41am
wes_mantooth;794524 wrote:That team really didn't have a vocal leader at all.
Which leads to my point that he wanted to be their "buddy", like he was with his chaps at SVSM, than their "leader." Sometimes to be a leader you have to be a hardcore prick/bastard and that wasn't in Lebron's makeup until the Decision.
jpake1
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Jun 8, 2011 11:47am
I'm a firm believer that leaders are made, not born. Its not too late. But its now or never for this year.
wes_mantooth
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Jun 8, 2011 11:56am
jpake1;794533 wrote:I'm a firm believer that leaders are made, not born. Its not too late. But its now or never for this year.
True and the heat have a leader...dwade. I am sure it is tough with lebrons ego in the room, but dwade needs to step forward.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 8, 2011 12:06pm
jordo212000;794261 wrote:Lebron has been shrinking but once again, you guys are forgetting who carried the team during the last round. I remember that Espn kept asking "what is wrong with Dwade"
Dude, that was the ECF... THIS IS THE FINALS. This is the round that matters.
What LeBron did against Chicago was fine, but TO's ~ Points in the 4th quarter? 8 Points in a pivotal FINALS game? GTFO.
LeBron is a GREAT talent.. But he is mentally very weak. He went to Miami to get the attention solely off of him.
And defensively, LeBron left Terry WIDE OPEN about 5 or 6 times in the 4th quarter.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 8, 2011 12:07pm
wes_mantooth;794514 wrote:Lebron is not a leader...never was. Even at asvsm...he was not the leader, just the best player.
Exactly. Anybody who followed ASVSM during that time knew that Dru Joyce III was their leader.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 8, 2011 12:08pm
hoops23;794555 wrote: LeBron is a GREAT talent.. But he is mentally very weak. He went to Miami to get the attention solely off of him.
+1
jordo212000
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Jun 8, 2011 12:30pm
hoops23;794555 wrote:Dude, that was the ECF... THIS IS THE FINALS. This is the round that matters.
Yeah but would they even be here without his big series against Chicago?
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 8, 2011 12:36pm
jordo212000;794587 wrote:Yeah but would they even be here without his big series against Chicago?
They beat Chicago in 5 games. LeBron himself isn't good enough to beat the Bulls in 5 games.
Bosh Spice had some big games vs the weak Bulls frontline and Mike Miller showed up in Game 5.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jun 8, 2011 12:46pm
That looked familiar. I agree with Mike and Mike, if you're a superstar you cant have a game like that. The dude looked totally uninterested in the game. How does this happen? Thats twice in a year that the dude has done this. He was passive and he refused to get involved in the offense, Mario fucking Chalmers was more aggressive than he was. I was critical of him after his game 5 performance last year, only difference is this year I'm glad he did it.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 8, 2011 12:48pm
KR1245;794621 wrote:That looked familiar. I agree with Mike and Mike, if you're a superstar you cant have a game like that. The dude looked totally uninterested in the game. How does this happen? Thats twice in a year that the dude has done this. He was passive and he refused to get involved in the offense, Mario fucking Chalmers was more aggressive than he was. I was critical of him after his game 5 performance last year, only difference is this year I'm glad he did it.
And didn't he say he was going to be "more aggressive and attack" or was that before game 3?
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 8, 2011 12:51pm
BR1986FB;794623 wrote:And didn't he say he was going to be "more aggressive and attack" or was that before game 3?
It was the game before, which ironically was the same game that the reporter asked him about "shrinking"...
Pick6
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Jun 8, 2011 12:52pm
BR1986FB;794623 wrote:And didn't he say he was going to be "more aggressive and attack" or was that before game 3?
dont know, but Terry called him and the Heat out before last night's game. Looked like Wade and Bosh were the only ones who somewhat responded.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 8, 2011 12:55pm
hoops23;794630 wrote:It was the game before, which ironically was the same game that the reporter asked him about "shrinking"...
I frankly don't know why he's so passive. Dude is a wonderfreak, physically, and he'd at least get fouled every time he drove to the hoop. Most defenders can't keep up with him....baffling.
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Al Bundy
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Jun 8, 2011 12:55pm
BR1986FB;794623 wrote:And didn't he say he was going to be "more aggressive and attack" or was that before game 3?
Kidd was guarding him often last night, and he didn't attack a guy that he towers over. With his physical skills if LeBron ever gets a heart and attacks, he would be amazing. The guy has no heart.
Automatik
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Jun 8, 2011 12:56pm
BR1986FB;794637 wrote:I frankly don't know why he's so passive. Dude is a wonderfreak, physically, and he'd at least get fouled every time he drove to the hoop. Most defenders can't keep up with him....baffling.
I find it odd also. Does he just say screw it when he sees a double? He made some very nice passes, but it seemed as if every time he saw the ball he looked for the open man. Maybe because Wade and Bosh were rolling he thought he should "let the game come to him" and dish or whatever. I don't know....but definitely confusing.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 8, 2011 12:58pm
BR1986FB;794490 wrote:He proved his "leadership" qualities when he bolted to join "the guys" in South Beach. It looks as if he's content to hang out in the background and let D-Wade do his thing. Frankly, I'm surprised that he's taken on the facilitator role and hasn't tried to be the "star."
He did that down the stretch of Game 2 after Wade had led them to a commanding lead. Then Dallas came back and won. Since then, LeBron's been in the background as a facilitator and hasn't tried to take over games. It really makes you wonder if that game got in his head and is affecting his play.
Automatik
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Jun 8, 2011 12:58pm
Al Bundy;794638 wrote:Kidd was guarding him often last night, and he didn't attack a guy that he towers over. With his physical skills if LeBron ever gets a heart and attacks, he would be amazing. The guy has no heart.
Kidd was playing great D on LeBron. A few times I recall he tried to blow by him and Kidd stayed in front of him step for step. That is impressive for a 38 year old vet.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 8, 2011 12:59pm
LeBron had a wide open three in the corner late last night that he passed up on. In a regular season game and early playoff round, he takes hat shot.
Point blank, he's shrunk in the moment.
Now, he has time to correct this as there are 2 wins remaining, so we'll see what he does after the worst playoff game of his career.
Point blank, he's shrunk in the moment.
Now, he has time to correct this as there are 2 wins remaining, so we'll see what he does after the worst playoff game of his career.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jun 8, 2011 1:01pm
Automatik;794643 wrote:Kidd was playing great D on LeBron. A few times I recall he tried to blow by him and Kidd stayed in front of him step for step. That is impressive for a 38 year old vet.
Yeah. That shouldnt happen. I dont know if Kidd stayed in front of Bron or Bron let him stay in front of him.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 8, 2011 1:04pm
KR1245;794645 wrote:Yeah. That shouldnt happen. I dont know if Kidd stayed in front of Bron or Bron let him stay in front of him.
LOL, exactly. No way in hell should Kidd be able to stay in front of LeBron. If that was the case, LeBron should have posted him up anyway.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 8, 2011 1:29pm
hoops23;794650 wrote:LOL, exactly. No way in hell should Kidd be able to stay in front of LeBron. If that was the case, LeBron should have posted him up anyway.
This +54865419389354.
That's the first thing you do when you have someone smaller you.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 8, 2011 1:32pm
How many times (I know I did) would Cleveland fans say "damn, if Lebron would develop a post game he'd be even MORE devastating?" Dude doesn't like to or want to post up for some reason. He could cause ridiculous mismatches every game.
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Al Bundy
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Jun 8, 2011 1:36pm
BR1986FB;794707 wrote:How many times (I know I did) would Cleveland fans say "damn, if Lebron would develop a post game he'd be even MORE devastating?" Dude doesn't like to or want to post up for some reason. He could cause ridiculous mismatches every game.
But it is easier to fire up bad jumpers and maybe get hot every once in awhile.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 8, 2011 1:38pm
Al Bundy;794717 wrote:But it is easier to fire up bad jumpers and maybe get hot every once in awhile.
Yep. Game winning jumpers give you that "legacy." Boring layups and short post up jumpers don't. :rolleyes:
ricola
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Jun 8, 2011 1:45pm
Automatik;794643 wrote:Kidd was playing great D on LeBron. A few times I recall he tried to blow by him and Kidd stayed in front of him step for step. That is impressive for a 38 year old vet.
Overall, throughout the playoffs, I've been quite impressed with Kidd's dee. For a 38yo guy, he gets afterit. Did as good a job on Kobe as anyone all year. i think he wants a ring.