karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jun 8, 2011 3:11pm
Al Bundy;794959 wrote:He doesn't. All he does is fire up bad shots in a half-court set. He refuses to play in the post where he could help an offense.
He may not post up enough, but to say all he does is fire up bad shots is ignorant.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jun 8, 2011 3:15pm
He doesnt post up nearly as much as he should, never understood why he didnt add that to his game like other big SF's
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:17pm
SportsAndLady;794907 wrote:We've proven to you time and time again that he has disappeared in big playoff games, you just refuse to listen. Because you are 15 and don't know much about Cavalier Lebron, you only know Heat Lebron.
name some games and provide some facts then, all i've read is game 5 against boston
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 8, 2011 3:18pm
Hb31187;794976 wrote:He doesnt post up nearly as much as he should, never understood why he didnt add that to his game like other big SF's
It would add a whole new/unstoppable dimension to his game. Pissed me off when he refused to do it with the Cavs. Add that along with better free throw shooting and WHOA...
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 8, 2011 3:21pm
robj55;794985 wrote:name some games and provide some facts then, all i've read is game 5 against boston
He won 0 rings in SEVEN seasons with the Cavs...he went to the Finals ONCE...the guy doesn't show up when it counts
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Jun 8, 2011 3:21pm
Automatik;794968 wrote:Refuses or not part of the game plan? I understand the dislike for LeBron, but some of these statements are so off the wall its comical. Emotional dislike is getting in the way of wtf is actually going on ON THE COURT.
LeBron absolutely makes others around him better, that is one of his major strong points.
Who is he making better? DWade has always put up numbers. Bosh has had one of his worst offensive seasons ever. The others on the team hardly ever do much on the offensive side of the court. If you look back at the great players in the history of the game, they have been able to get the most out of role players to help with championships. LeBron doesn't have the leadership skills to get people to the next level.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:21pm
Automatik;794968 wrote:Refuses or not part of the game plan? I understand the dislike for LeBron, but some of these statements are so off the wall its comical. Emotional dislike is getting in the way of wtf is actually going on ON THE COURT.
LeBron absolutely makes others around him better, that is one of his major strong points.
this, just because he doesn't post up as often as al bundy thinks he should he doesn't make others better? He is one of if not the best passers in the league and most unselfish superstars we have ever seen, maybe even too much. He took a team composed of Eric Snow, David Wesley, Drew Gooden, Big Z, varejao, Larry hughes and Sasha pavlovic to the finals, all he does is make players better. Dumbest post i've seen in a long time Bundy
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jun 8, 2011 3:22pm
Yeah theres really not a reason to not do it aside from the fact that he doesnt want to. Melo, Pierce, Durant from time to time all take the smaller defender to the post and either make them pay for it...or are in a better position to pass out from a double team and it helps the team immensely
Would work especially well this year because they dont have another big man to post up really. Bosh prefers the outside, and anthony is strictly for defense and rebounding
Would work especially well this year because they dont have another big man to post up really. Bosh prefers the outside, and anthony is strictly for defense and rebounding
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:23pm
SportsAndLady;794990 wrote:He won 0 rings in SEVEN seasons with the Cavs...he went to the Finals ONCE...the guy doesn't show up when it counts
lol you failed to give me individual games, maybe the team around him wasn't as good as delusional cavs fans thought? They overachived because of his greatness and ability to make others better and because of their D
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:24pm
BR1986FB;794987 wrote:It would add a whole new/unstoppable dimension to his game. Pissed me off when he refused to do it with the Cavs. Add that along with better free throw shooting and WHOA...
I agree, he should punish people who defend him
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Jun 8, 2011 3:25pm
karen lotz;794972 wrote:He may not post up enough, but to say all he does is fire up bad shots is ignorant.
A large percentage of his shots that aren't fast break points are terrible shots. Several times in game 2, he held the ball, ran down the clock, and took fall away 3 pointers with a guy in his face. He has a below average jump shot.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 8, 2011 3:29pm
Al Bundy;794991 wrote:Who is he making better? DWade has always put up numbers. Bosh has had one of his worst offensive seasons ever. The others on the team hardly ever do much on the offensive side of the court. If you look back at the great players in the history of the game, they have been able to get the most out of role players to help with championships. LeBron doesn't have the leadership skills to get people to the next level.
LeBron was 12th in the league in assists at 7 per and hes a SF. Bosh averaged 18 and 9 this year. I think you're just bitching for the sake of bitching.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 8, 2011 3:29pm
And make no mistake about it...he REFUSES to do it. Mike Brown tried to get him to add this facet to his game.Hb31187;794993 wrote:Yeah theres really not a reason to not do it aside from the fact that he doesnt want to. Melo, Pierce, Durant from time to time all take the smaller defender to the post and either make them pay for it...or are in a better position to pass out from a double team and it helps the team immensely
Would work especially well this year because they dont have another big man to post up really. Bosh prefers the outside, and anthony is strictly for defense and rebounding
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:29pm
Hb31187;794993 wrote:Yeah theres really not a reason to not do it aside from the fact that he doesnt want to. Melo, Pierce, Durant from time to time all take the smaller defender to the post and either make them pay for it...or are in a better position to pass out from a double team and it helps the team immensely
Would work especially well this year because they dont have another big man to post up really. Bosh prefers the outside, and anthony is strictly for defense and rebounding
you know damn well those two aren't passing the ball lol
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:30pm
BR1986FB;795010 wrote:And make no mistake about it...he REFUSES to do it. Mike Brown tried to get him to add this facet to his game.
I think as he gets older he will start to, add that mid post game ala jordan and kobe
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jun 8, 2011 3:31pm
Al Bundy;794999 wrote:A large percentage of his shots that aren't fast break points are terrible shots. Several times in game 2, he held the ball, ran down the clock, and took fall away 3 pointers with a guy in his face. He has a below average jump shot.
How many of those late possessions did he pass to an open teammate (Udonis Haslem) in a spot where he is normally money, only to have said player pass the ball back without looking at the rim with 4 seconds left on the shot clock?
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jun 8, 2011 3:32pm
robj55;794803 wrote:if you know basketball then you know scoring is only one part of offense, was my only point
Lebron stood around the whole damn game on offense. He had 7 assists which is AVERAGE for him. What good did he do offensively ladt night?
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jun 8, 2011 3:33pm
robj55;795011 wrote:you know damn well those two aren't passing the ball lol
Even if they dont lol, punishing the player guarding them and gettin em in foul trouble is just as effective.
And Lebron is stronger than Durant and weighs more than Melo and might be a little taller. So i raelly dunno why he doesnt get his big ass down there
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 8, 2011 3:33pm
robj55;795012 wrote:I think as he gets older he will start to, add that mid post game ala jordan and kobe
That's basically all he's missing. That and improved free throw shooting. Jordan & Kobe worked on areas of their game to make them unstoppable. You'd think he'd be smart enough to try to develop it at a young age.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:34pm
Hb31187;795020 wrote:Even if they dont lol, punishing the player guarding them and gettin em in foul trouble is just as effective.
And Lebron is stronger than Durant and weighs more than Melo and might be a little taller. So i raelly dunno why he doesnt get his big ass down there
don't ask me, i'm not him nor am I coaching him, I do think he should from time to time and attack
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jun 8, 2011 3:36pm
And I'm not trying to defend LeBron for last night's performance. I said during the game he was disinterested. He played absolutely HORRIBLE, especially for someone of his caliber. But for Bundy or others to completely discredit what he has done in the past or what he is capable of based on last night and Boston game 5 is just dumb. There is no way you can say he doesn't make teammates better. He wasn't assertive last night and part of it goes to Dallas doubling him either on pick and rolls or on the catch on the times he did try to post up Kidd or Terry. A lot of it goes on LeBron too, no doubt.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:36pm
BR1986FB;795021 wrote:That's basically all he's missing. That and improved free throw shooting. Jordan & Kobe worked on areas of their game to make them unstoppable. You'd think he'd be smart enough to try to develop it at a young age.
Jordan didn't really add that til later in his career, when his legs slowed down. Earlier he was a demon trying to get to the rim and finish and get to the line. As for Kobe, I don't care what anyone says, he patterned his game after Jordan and tried to be like him.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 8, 2011 3:37pm
robj55;795026 wrote: As for Kobe, I don't care what anyone says, he patterned his game after Jordan and tried to be like him.
Not really a "shabby" person to try to emulate.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:38pm
He did play poorly last night, but you're right in the fact that the haters only remember games like last night. We didn't see anyone posting about him during the philly, boston or chicago series' and I know that was eating them up. That's the society we live in, MF'ers love to hate on people and hate to see them succeed. I would kill to be as good at ANYTHING in life as Lebron is in basketball, and the same can be said for the rest of the OC i'm sure.karen lotz;795025 wrote:And I'm not trying to defend LeBron for last night's performance. I said during the game he was disinterested. He played absolutely HORRIBLE, especially for someone of his caliber. But for Bundy or others to completely discredit what he has done in the past or what he is capable of based on last night and Boston game 5 is just dumb. There is no way you can say he doesn't make teammates better. He wasn't assertive last night and part of it goes to Dallas doubling him either on pick and rolls or on the catch on the times he did try to post up Kidd or Terry. A lot of it goes on LeBron too, no doubt.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 8, 2011 3:39pm
BR1986FB;795031 wrote:Not really a "shabby" person to try to emulate.
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