Ty Webb;852596 wrote:I heard a Republican say it best last night...

If you don't trust the Republican candidat....you are more likely to vote for the devil you know as opposed to the devil you don't

BoatShoes;852691 wrote: Realistically Obama has governed as a moderate conservative anyway.

BoatShoes;852691 wrote:We need a WWII style fiscal stimulus but that will not happen unless there are people to kill.

QuakerOats;852696 wrote:Please, please tell me you are smoking the wacky weed this afternoon.

BoatShoes;852691 wrote:And, the fact is when you have business people like Bernie Marcus, and Mr. Wynn complain about the Fear of Obama as this socialist demigod when all objective evaluation of his record as POTUS suggests otherwise, there might be something to having a President with an R next to their name because Perception is Reality....no matter how devoid of reality it is. And the reality is, the largest expansion of the welfare state since the Great Society, medicare part D, occurred when Republicans had all of the power because Conservatives don't hold Republicans to the same standard they hold Democrats (I mean where was the massive widespread Constitutional Outrage to Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc?) so there might even be a better chance, if you're a progressive, if you've got a Republican President these days. I mean look how bad Conservatives lambasted their own national health plan from the 90's.

Writerbuckeye;853248 wrote:I remember a number of conservatives complaining about expanding Medicare, also.

As for No Child Left Behind...I never wanted that piece of expensive garbage enacted. The federal government should have no role in education. None. That is a state and local issue and should always be a state and local issue.

jhay78;853011 wrote:To be fair, I remember several talk radio types complaining about Medicare Part D when it passed, even though now it comes in consistently under budget because it is partly privatized and takes advantage of competitive market forces, something liberals howl about when that subject is brought up with regards to SS and Medicare (see video of Paul Ryan pushing granny off the cliff).

GW Bush got plenty of flak from conservatives for a multitude of his policies: Medicare Part D, not vetoing McCain-Feingold (even though he said there were constitutional issues with it), nominating Harriet Miers, pushing amnesty for illegals, bailing out GM, etc, etc. I think there were many who got complacent and settled for less than ideal constitutional governance from the White House.

believer;853627 wrote:That was my stance at the time as well. Now teachers spend more time coaching kids how to pass proficiency tests than actually teaching the kids the skills they'll need to be effective in society. It's just plain stupid.

Writerbuckeye;852845 wrote:He's not. He's just delusional. Obama's policies (the ones being implemented by agencies like the EPA, etc.) are so far LEFT it's all but killing business initiative in this country. But nobody like Boat will discuss that stuff. It's not being voted on or signed during a ceremony -- even though it has much more effect on the day to day business decisions being made in this country.

Suggesting Obama is anywhere near conservative, let alone moderate, is just lying. ObamaCare is coming and businesses are trying like crazy to get waivers. Why? Because if they don't, they know it's going to kill their bottom line and probably cost their employees their health insurance. There are sections of that law that are so far left and draconian that calling them anything close to moderate is laughable.

There's a reason this administration is being called the most anti-business group in history, and you can be damn sure no conservative or moderate would come within a mile of many of the things that are being quietly implemented.

Our only hope is that Obama gets defeated and whoever comes in completely dismantles all those agency changes, so the people who create jobs will stop feeling like there's a target on their backs and someone in the government has an AK 47 aimed in their direction.

jhay78;853011 wrote:To be fair, I remember several talk radio types complaining about Medicare Part D when it passed, even though now it comes in consistently under budget because it is partly privatized and takes advantage of competitive market forces, something liberals howl about when that subject is brought up with regards to SS and Medicare (see video of Paul Ryan pushing granny off the cliff).

GW Bush got plenty of flak from conservatives for a multitude of his policies: Medicare Part D, not vetoing McCain-Feingold (even though he said there were constitutional issues with it), nominating Harriet Miers, pushing amnesty for illegals, bailing out GM, etc, etc. I think there were many who got complacent and settled for less than ideal constitutional governance from the White House.

BoatShoes;854822 wrote:This post is exasperating. I don't even know where to begin and it certainly is not worth the effort. Why are so many liberals disappointed in President Obama and why are a number of conservatives from the by-gone age of reasonable republicans suggesting that President Obama is, at the very least, not a socialist/marxist, and moderately liberal at best? Here is the bottom line; even if we suppose you're right that he has all of this twisted liberal beliefs in his mind and in his heart...he has governed way more moderately than you suggest he would...

BoatShoes;854824 wrote:That's fine but that's a lot different than storming town halls screaming to take your country back from the evil socialist/marxists.

Ty Webb;854956 wrote:What in the hell are you talking about?

coyotes22;854958 wrote:Was just wondering what today's poll numbers look like.

Ty Webb;854970 wrote:He is pissing off alot of moderates and independents

coyotes22;854981 wrote:And Obama has been pissing ON the entire nation.

Better to be pissed off than pissed on.

coyotes22;855025 wrote:Can you explain how and why it was such a dumb move?

coyotes22;855025 wrote:I dont see what the big deal is/was with the event. So he held a prayer meeting. Can you explain how and why it was such a dumb move?