Mike Brown to the Lakers

Home ▸ Archive ▸ Pro Sports ▸ Mike Brown to the Lakers
T

trep14

Senior Member

842 posts
May 26, 2011 9:25 AM
BR1986FB;781658 wrote:Shaq was upfront and honest about it. Lebron was shady. Big difference. Would have rather had him be upfront and say "I'm leaving." At least that gives the team a chance to come up with an exit strategy versus scrambling.

As I've said before, Gilbert should be ashamed of himself for not having a Plan B but Lebron did him no favors with his dog & pony show and subsequent bolting from the city.

Right, how he and Shaq handled it were different. But that doesn't make Shaq any less of a "follower" than Lebron. But I for one don't necessarily think it would have been better for Lebron to tell Cleveland ahead of time that he was leaving (but he definitely shouldn't have done the decision either, that was dumb). He would have said "hey, I'm going to Miami. You can either trade me there or I'll leave as a free agent". And then the Cavs would have either rode him out for the last season that would have surely been filled with all kinds of drama, even more than what we saw with the playoff collapse, or they would have traded Lebron to the Heat for some turd sandwich consisting of picks and Michael Beasley. It was lose-lose for Lebron, he was going to be hated and leave on bad terms either way. It's looking like its going to work out for him though.
May 26, 2011 9:25am
KR1245's avatar

KR1245

Senior Member

4,317 posts
May 26, 2011 9:30 AM
BR1986FB;781590 wrote:He's not a "winner/leader", he's a follower. We can go round & round about this but he had to puss out and join two other "stars" to try to get his tainted ring(s) in South Beach. Couldn't do it in Cleveland because HE isn't the "superstar" he thinks he is. Going gets tough, Lebron's balls disappear.

Now before you bring that weak ass "but Shaq joined Kobe in LA" bullshit, there's ONE big difference. Shaq gave Orlando a years notice telling them "I'm leaving." The Magic screwed the pooch by not trading him and getting something in return. They learned their lesson and didn't allow it to happen twice when T-Mac said he was leaving. LeBitch "Pearl Harbored" Cleveland by not giving them notice, planning his exit (three years in advance), and NOT allowing the Cavs to pursue other free agents by the time he made his "decision."

Granted, Gilbert fucked himself by having such blind loyalty in a snake like James. He (Gilbert) should've had a plan B.

This.

Look at the facts

He refused to return one of Gilberts call/texts or emails for two weeks. Gilbert did ALOT for Lebron and his friends. I would think he owed the man an explanation

He waited till the end of FA

He did it on natl TV

He did more recruiting in Miami than he ever did in Cleveland. Everybody thought he was trying to recruit Bosh to Cleveland and yet Bosh later came out and said that Bron never mentioned Cleveland to him.

He tweeted about karma after the Cavs were destroyed by the Lakers

I'm not even going to get into the game 5 nonsense.


I see alot of "haters gonna hate" comments......well, no shit!
May 26, 2011 9:30am
T

trep14

Senior Member

842 posts
May 26, 2011 9:37 AM
KR1245;781669 wrote:This.

Look at the facts

He refused to return one of Gilberts call/texts or emails for two weeks. Gilbert did ALOT for Lebron and his friends. I would think he owed the man an explanation

He waited till the end of FA

He did it on natl TV

He did more recruiting in Miami than he ever did in Cleveland. Everybody thought he was trying to recruit Bosh to Cleveland and yet Bosh later came out and said that Bron never mentioned Cleveland to him.

He tweeted about karma after the Cavs were destroyed by the Lakers

I'm not even going to get into the game 5 nonsense.


I see alot of "haters gonna hate" comments......well, no shit!

I remember that he recruited Ray Allen and Michael Redd pretty hard that year they were both free agents and the Cavs had to settle for Larry Hughes. But my guess is he already knew he was leaving when the opportunity to recruit Bosh came along, so why would he recruit Bosh hard to join the Cavs when he knew he wasnt going to be there?

Also, is this supposed to be a comparison of how Lebron and Shaq's situations were different? Because Shaq has had more than his share of controversial moments that involve him burning his bridges. He usually does a good job of setting someone else up as the fall guy though, whether it be Penny Hardaway, Kobe, or Pat Riley.
May 26, 2011 9:37am
T

trep14

Senior Member

842 posts
May 26, 2011 9:39 AM
Skyhook79;781661 wrote:Denver is a better team since the Melo trade and the Knicks gave up a lot to get him.

The Knicks gave up some role players. But they also had more to offer than the Heat would have had to offer the Cavs. As for the trade working out, give it more time than half a season. I personally think Denver played a little over their heads, I think they miss the playoffs next season.
May 26, 2011 9:39am
B

BR1986FB

Senior Member

24,104 posts
May 26, 2011 9:40 AM
trep14;781675 wrote:I remember that he recruited Ray Allen and Michael Redd pretty hard that year they were both free agents and the Cavs had to settle for Larry Hughes. But my guess is he already knew he was leaving when the opportunity to recruit Bosh came along, so why would he recruit Bosh hard to join the Cavs when he knew he wasnt going to be there?

You mean the SAME Michael Redd that he pulled a "no show" for to pick up at the airport because he (Lebron) was "too busy?" Not that I think Redd is worth a squirt of piss but I'd heard he was leaning toward taking less money to play here before Lebron snubbed him.
May 26, 2011 9:40am
T

trep14

Senior Member

842 posts
May 26, 2011 9:45 AM
BR1986FB;781678 wrote:You mean the SAME Michael Redd that he pulled a "no show" for to pick up at the airport because he (Lebron) was "too busy?" Not that I think Redd is worth a squirt of piss but I'd heard he was leaning toward taking less money to play here before Lebron snubbed him.

I haven't heard a thing about this. I just tried to google it and the only thing that came up was a post about it on another message board that said "as the story goes..."
May 26, 2011 9:45am
Skyhook79's avatar

Skyhook79

Senior Member

5,739 posts
May 26, 2011 9:49 AM
trep14;781677 wrote:The Knicks gave up some role players. But they also had more to offer than the Heat would have had to offer the Cavs. As for the trade working out, give it more time than half a season. I personally think Denver played a little over their heads, I think they miss the playoffs next season.

Role Players?? The Knicks gave up 3 starters on a team that was already Playoff bound and each one of them averaged double digit points.
May 26, 2011 9:49am
KR1245's avatar

KR1245

Senior Member

4,317 posts
May 26, 2011 9:49 AM
The point that I was trying to make is that all of these Lebron conversations are the same. A Cavs fan makes a negative comment about Lebron and somebody will come to his defense. I dont understand why people cant grasp the idea that Cleveland fans hate Lebron James.
May 26, 2011 9:49am
T

trep14

Senior Member

842 posts
May 26, 2011 9:52 AM
Skyhook79;781686 wrote:Role Players?? The Knicks gave up 3 starters on a team that was already Playoff bound and each one of them averaged double digit points.

Get at me when Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, or Wilson Chandler are ever even in the conversation to make an all star game. They are role players.
May 26, 2011 9:52am
Automatik's avatar

Automatik

Senior Member

14,632 posts
May 26, 2011 9:52 AM
BR1986FB;781678 wrote:You mean the SAME Michael Redd that he pulled a "no show" for to pick up at the airport because he (Lebron) was "too busy?" Not that I think Redd is worth a squirt of piss but I'd heard he was leaning toward taking less money to play here before Lebron snubbed him.

lmao...this is rich. So getting that fat contract in Milwaukee had nothing to do with it?


I suggest making a thread simply titled "LeBron James" and sticky it for the sole purpose of venting/arguing.
May 26, 2011 9:52am
B

BR1986FB

Senior Member

24,104 posts
May 26, 2011 9:54 AM
KR1245;781687 wrote:The point that I was trying to make is that all of these Lebron conversations are the same. A Cavs fan makes a negative comment about Lebron and somebody will come to his defense. I dont understand why people cant grasp the idea that Cleveland fans hate Lebron James.

Again this goes back to HOW he left (for me) versus the fact THAT he left. I laugh when people use the "forgive & forget" bullshit considering what this town has been through. Unless they have LIVED it, (The Drive, The Fumble, The Shot, Joe Table's implosion in 97, the 2007 ALCS choke and the Decision) they should REALLY just shut their hole and know their role.
May 26, 2011 9:54am
B

BR1986FB

Senior Member

24,104 posts
May 26, 2011 9:56 AM
Automatik;781689 wrote:lmao...this is rich. So getting that fat contract in Milwaukee had nothing to do with it?
.

I didn't say that. I said he was "leaning toward taking less."
May 26, 2011 9:56am
Skyhook79's avatar

Skyhook79

Senior Member

5,739 posts
May 26, 2011 9:57 AM
trep14;781688 wrote:Get at me when Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, or Wilson Chandler are ever even in the conversation to make an all star game. They are role players.

game-raymond-felton-and-10-players-most-likely-to-be-snubbed#/articles/587609-nba-all-star-game-raymond-felton-and-10-players-most-likely-to-be-snubbed/page/11

Felton was already in the conversation.
May 26, 2011 9:57am
Skyhook79's avatar

Skyhook79

Senior Member

5,739 posts
May 26, 2011 9:59 AM
trep14;781688 wrote:Get at me when Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, or Wilson Chandler are ever even in the conversation to make an all star game. They are role players.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/587609-nba-all-star-game-raymond-felton-and-10-players-most-likely-to-be-snubbed#/articles/587609-nba-all-star-game-raymond-felton-and-10-players-most-likely-to-be-snubbed/page/10


Felton was in the "conversation".
May 26, 2011 9:59am
Automatik's avatar

Automatik

Senior Member

14,632 posts
May 26, 2011 10:03 AM
BR1986FB;781694 wrote:I didn't say that. I said he was "leaning toward taking less."

But decided against it because LeBron didn't pick him up personally from the airport...correct?
May 26, 2011 10:03am
T

trep14

Senior Member

842 posts
May 26, 2011 10:03 AM
BR1986FB;781691 wrote:Again this goes back to HOW he left (for me) versus the fact THAT he left. I laugh when people use the "forgive & forget" bullshit considering what this town has been through. Unless they have LIVED it, (The Drive, The Fumble, The Shot, Joe Table's implosion in 97, the 2007 ALCS choke and the Decision) they should REALLY just shut their hole and know their role.

Honestly, you really think it would have been better if after the Magic series in '09 he came out and said, "Hey I'm not re-signing here, I'm going to Miami, you can either trade me or I'm leaving as a free agent"? That would have been without question the ugliest year in Cleveland sports. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Lebron was assaulted on the way to the Q before a game or something by some crazy fan. I don't think it mattered how he left, the guy was going to be hated no matter what.
May 26, 2011 10:03am
B

BR1986FB

Senior Member

24,104 posts
May 26, 2011 10:07 AM
trep14;781705 wrote:Honestly, you really think it would have been better if after the Magic series in '09 he came out and said, "Hey I'm not re-signing here, I'm going to Miami, you can either trade me or I'm leaving as a free agent"? That would have been without question the ugliest year in Cleveland sports. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Lebron was assaulted on the way to the Q before a game or something by some crazy fan. I don't think it mattered how he left, the guy was going to be hated no matter what.

I think he would have been less hated than the shady way he did it. Maybe not at first but the backlash would've died down much faster. They could have moved him immediately after that series.
May 26, 2011 10:07am
thedynasty1998's avatar

thedynasty1998

Senior Member

6,844 posts
May 26, 2011 10:08 AM
We are blaming Lebron for not picking up Mike Redd at the airport now? Lebrons not a winner? He's not a leader?

My goodness some people are delirious.
May 26, 2011 10:08am
T

trep14

Senior Member

842 posts
May 26, 2011 10:09 AM

I stand corrected. Though its interesting how quickly his numbers fell back to his career stats after going from the D'Antoni offense to the Nuggets (ppg dropped from 17 to 11.5, assists from 9 to 6.5). Guy is still a role player imo. We will see if he is in the "conversation" now that he isn't playing on an offense designed to inflate stats.
May 26, 2011 10:09am
B

BR1986FB

Senior Member

24,104 posts
May 26, 2011 10:10 AM
thedynasty1998;781710 wrote:He's not a leader?

Without question. "Leaders" don't go join up with other stars to create their own AAU team. He's a follower. He was never a leader when he was in Cleveland either.
May 26, 2011 10:10am
thedynasty1998's avatar

thedynasty1998

Senior Member

6,844 posts
May 26, 2011 10:10 AM
Guess we will have to call Gilbert a loser and liar soon if Miami wins the championship this year.
May 26, 2011 10:10am
Automatik's avatar

Automatik

Senior Member

14,632 posts
May 26, 2011 10:11 AM
BR1986FB;781712 wrote:Without question. "Leaders" don't go join up with other stars to create their own AAU team. He's a follower. He was never a leader when he was in Cleveland either.

Um he pretty much ran that team in Cleveland.
May 26, 2011 10:11am
thedynasty1998's avatar

thedynasty1998

Senior Member

6,844 posts
May 26, 2011 10:12 AM
BR1986FB;781712 wrote:Without question. "Leaders" don't go join up with other stars to create their own AAU team. He's a follower. He was never a leader when he was in Cleveland either.

He wasn't a leader in Cleveland? You really are too biased to have an opinion. He was absolutely a leader. And he's the current leader in Miami.
May 26, 2011 10:12am
B

BR1986FB

Senior Member

24,104 posts
May 26, 2011 10:13 AM
thedynasty1998;781719 wrote:He wasn't a leader in Cleveland? You really are too biased to have an opinion. He was absolutely a leader. And he's the current leader in Miami.

Wade is the leader. James "followed" him to Miami. Still Wade's team.
May 26, 2011 10:13am
thedynasty1998's avatar

thedynasty1998

Senior Member

6,844 posts
May 26, 2011 10:15 AM
BR1986FB;781721 wrote:Wade is the leader. James "followed" him to Miami. Still Wade's team.

That's your bias. It's clear who the leader is.
May 26, 2011 10:15am