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May 13, 2011 10:01 AM
Is anyone following the James Tate Prom saga?

No.
May 13, 2011 10:01am
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queencitybuckeye

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May 13, 2011 10:08 AM
"Rules are rules" = "I'm too lazy and/or stupid and/or gutless to actually think and make sensible decisions".
May 13, 2011 10:08am
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Gblock

May 13, 2011 10:22 AM
while i get the schools point of view this seems like a total lack of common sense.
May 13, 2011 10:22am
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May 13, 2011 10:28 AM
I swear, people often forget that teenagers, especially guys tend to do some fairly innocent but dumb things sometimes. Some people who are involved with children are completely clueless.
May 13, 2011 10:28am
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May 13, 2011 10:30 AM
Fly4Fun;767374 wrote:I swear, people often forget that teenagers, especially guys tend to do some fairly innocent but dumb things sometimes. Some people who are involved with children are completely clueless.

Agreed. If this is the worst thing that kid has done then he's pretty much a saint as far as teenage boys go.
May 13, 2011 10:30am
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May 13, 2011 10:41 AM
It's prom. La dee da. He should use the time he would've gone to prom to do something more fun, like two chicks at the same time.
May 13, 2011 10:41am
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georgemc80

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May 13, 2011 10:43 AM
^^^^^

You know, with the national attention and the "oh my god he is so sweet" responses....that may be possible.
May 13, 2011 10:43am
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May 13, 2011 10:51 AM
I like this rant from the comments section:



"Here is more proof that we have incompetents running our public schools. He are some facts: China is number one in math, America 17th in the world. China is number one in science, America is number 23rd. and China is number one in the world for reading skills...America? 31st. Enough said about why we must get the NEA out of our public schools and go to private charter schools like Indiana and Oregon....except 100% elimination of the public school system we have today..100% charter schools would be much better. Another thing...this ''zero tolerance' policy....bureaucrats do not have to make decisons anymore...little 1st grader draws a gun ( oh horror of horrors ) and is expelled. Some system...a bunch of incompetents for the most part make up the teaching class, especially on the administrative side. Most teachers cannot teach freely...and are hampered by administrations, state and federal."


The ironic thing is he holds up China as a example yet something like this would have never happened in China Schools and if it did they would probally be dealt with more severely.
May 13, 2011 10:51am
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May 13, 2011 10:55 AM
^^^
Ugh... While I agree with you, are you 100% sure that China tests EVERYONE like we do in the USA?
May 13, 2011 10:55am
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May 13, 2011 11:19 AM
I understand why the rules that the student is being punished for are in place, but they are really there to punish student who commit vandalism. This was not vandalism. This was asking a girl to the prom. People need to understand the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. They also need to understand that there's a reason why our court system doesn't use a "zero tolerance" or "one-size-fits-all" policy when enforcing laws. Not ever violation of a rule is the same, so not every violation warrants the same punishment. While ignorance is no defense I bet this kid had no idea that he was breaking the rules when he did this, and I also bet his parent's know about it and thought it was fine as well.

I have no problem with them giving him and his friends who helped a day of ISS, but preventing him from attending the prom is extreme. Let him go to the prom, but then also let this be an example for future students that prom proposals like this are not allowed in the future.
May 13, 2011 11:19am
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May 13, 2011 11:36 AM
queencitybuckeye;767350 wrote:"Rules are rules" = "I'm too lazy and/or stupid and/or gutless to actually think and make sensible decisions".

+1.

Zero tolerance and "one-size-fits-all" polices are for people who don't want to be bothered with thinking.
May 13, 2011 11:36am
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May 13, 2011 11:50 AM
krambman;767423 wrote:I understand why the rules that the student is being punished for are in place, but they are really there to punish student who commit vandalism. This was not vandalism. This was asking a girl to the prom. People need to understand the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. They also need to understand that there's a reason why our court system doesn't use a "zero tolerance" or "one-size-fits-all" policy when enforcing laws. Not ever violation of a rule is the same, so not every violation warrants the same punishment. While ignorance is no defense I bet this kid had no idea that he was breaking the rules when he did this, and I also bet his parent's know about it and thought it was fine as well.

I have no problem with them giving him and his friends who helped a day of ISS, but preventing him from attending the prom is extreme. Let him go to the prom, but then also let this be an example for future students that prom proposals like this are not allowed in the future.

was he suspended for vandilism or trespassing on school property after hours?
May 13, 2011 11:50am
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May 13, 2011 12:27 PM
Gblock;767451 wrote:was he suspended for vandilism or trespassing on school property after hours?

Trespassing.




I would be willing to bet he goes to his prom.
May 13, 2011 12:27pm
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May 13, 2011 12:29 PM
And was he REALLY trespassing? The article makes no mention of him being in the school. Is just being on school grounds "after hours" really trespassing?
May 13, 2011 12:29pm
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May 13, 2011 12:30 PM
wildcats20;767489 wrote:Trespassing.




I would be willing to bet he goes to his prom.
And that girl gives him a quickie between dinner and grand march.
May 13, 2011 12:30pm
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Gblock

May 13, 2011 12:41 PM
if he doesnt get to go its not that big of a deal really, most kids dont even go into the prom anymore nowadays anyway. they go and get their pic taken and leave somwhere where they can go drink and do drugs/have sex. a lot of schools now have lock in proms so that you cant leave, or breathlyzers to enter etc...even in the 90's when i went to prom no one stayed for more than 1 hr....
May 13, 2011 12:41pm
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May 13, 2011 12:42 PM
fan_from_texas;767438 wrote:+1.

Zero tolerance and "one-size-fits-all" polices are for people who don't want to be bothered with thinking.
+ eleventy quadgazillsands
May 13, 2011 12:42pm
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May 13, 2011 1:04 PM
That's what he gets. He shouldve thought about the consequences before he acted maliciously w/the scissors, paste, and cardboard. I'll bet he won't do THAT again.
May 13, 2011 1:04pm
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May 13, 2011 1:07 PM
Steel Valley Football;767528 wrote:That's what he gets. He shouldve thought about the consequences before he acted maliciously w/the scissors, paste, and cardboard. I'll bet he won't do THAT again.

lol
May 13, 2011 1:07pm
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May 13, 2011 1:11 PM
queencitybuckeye;767350 wrote:"Rules are rules" = "I'm too lazy and/or stupid and/or gutless to actually think and make sensible decisions".

+94
May 13, 2011 1:11pm
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May 13, 2011 1:53 PM
I Wear Pants;767532 wrote:+94

This.

I had something a bit similar happen to me at my junior high school graduation. Having had just attended my brother's high school graduation, and seeing the various logos, designs etc. displayed on several students caps, I thought it would be fun to do the same myself. So I got some puffy paint and drew a smiley face (nothing too radical). My parents had no issue with it. When I was lining up for the actual graduation processional, a teacher saw me and made me take it off. I almost had to walk down without a cap, but luckily my mom was able to somehow secure me a plain one. To this day I never thought this made any sense, especially at a public school (I can understand such a policy at a private school.) Still even if it was a "rule" was it really worth signaling me out?

I think this prom thing is the same issue. I can understand that he was trespassing and can even understand the one-day suspension, but to not let him go to prom is just not understanding the spirit of being young.
May 13, 2011 1:53pm
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May 13, 2011 2:12 PM
Gblock;767504 wrote:if he doesnt get to go its not that big of a deal really, most kids dont even go into the prom anymore nowadays anyway. they go and get their pic taken and leave somwhere where they can go drink and do drugs/have sex. a lot of schools now have lock in proms so that you cant leave, or breathlyzers to enter etc...even in the 90's when i went to prom no one stayed for more than 1 hr....


I know there are schools that have this problem. I chalk that up to a bad school culture. Our school spends roughly $25-30k for this event. It is down on Galveston Island right on the beach. It lasts from 8-12 and at midnight we still had roughly 200 kids still on the dance floor. The dance didn't start to truly thin out till about 10:45. Up to that point we had easily 800 kids running around the facility. Of course, following that most go to a hotel, or a beach house they have rented. They spend all day Sunday and Monday at the beach. I hope this school never has the attitude of just go for pics then bolt.
May 13, 2011 2:12pm
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May 13, 2011 11:37 PM
Websurfinbird;767563 wrote:This.

I had something a bit similar happen to me at my junior high school graduation. Having had just attended my brother's high school graduation, and seeing the various logos, designs etc. displayed on several students caps, I thought it would be fun to do the same myself. So I got some puffy paint and drew a smiley face (nothing too radical). My parents had no issue with it. When I was lining up for the actual graduation processional, a teacher saw me and made me take it off. I almost had to walk down without a cap, but luckily my mom was able to somehow secure me a plain one. To this day I never thought this made any sense, especially at a public school (I can understand such a policy at a private school.) Still even if it was a "rule" was it really worth signaling me out?

I think this prom thing is the same issue. I can understand that he was trespassing and can even understand the one-day suspension, but to not let him go to prom is just not understanding the spirit of being young.

it seems you broke a school rule..i'm guessing you were rich?
May 13, 2011 11:37pm
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May 14, 2011 2:19 PM
Are the grounds of a public school "public property?" I'm genuinely curious.

Moreover, does this mean that anyone coming to decorate the football stadium for some "spirit day" would also be trespassing?
May 14, 2011 2:19pm