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May 20, 2011 11:48 AM
LJ;774896 wrote:So in 2007 I didn't buy a 2006 Nissan Altima 2.5S with 15,000 miles for $14k OTD? A car that MSRP for $22k just the year before?

And if you look at what I said about the Sonatas, I said the dealer probably bought the auction ones for around $15k, sticker on new is around $21k. So considering yours was 1 year older, you probably did.
May 20, 2011 11:48am
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May 20, 2011 11:50 AM
WebFire;774897 wrote:Different model year. Different situation. Thad bought 2007 model in 2007.
WebFire;774899 wrote:And if you look at what I said about the Sonatas, I said the dealer probably bought the auction ones for around $15k, sticker on new is around $21k. So considering yours was 1 year older, you probably did.

#1 My example shows that it happens
#2 nothing you have said shows that it DOESN'T happen.
May 20, 2011 11:50am
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May 20, 2011 11:51 AM
LJ;774901 wrote:#1 My example shows that it happens
#2 nothing you have said shows that it DOESN'T happen.
WTF are you smoking? Your example isn't even the same! I bought a 77 Chevy in '89 for $2500. WTF does that prove?
May 20, 2011 11:51am
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May 20, 2011 11:58 AM
WebFire;774904 wrote:WTF are you smoking? Your example isn't even the same! I bought a 77 Chevy in '89 for $2500. WTF does that prove?

The car was orig sold in Sept 2006, I bought it in July 2007. Less than a year old. Quit being blind to reality.
May 20, 2011 11:58am
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May 20, 2011 1:23 PM
LJ;774915 wrote:The car was orig sold in Sept 2006, I bought it in July 2007. Less than a year old. Quit being blind to reality.

Was it the same model year? Makes a huge difference.
May 20, 2011 1:23pm
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May 20, 2011 1:27 PM
Another thing to remember...even if the dealer did buy it that cheap, they wouldn't sell it to a normal person off the street for that much under book value. So if they sold it to Thad for that much lower because of who he was, that is a violation.

If they would sell it that cheap to anybody off the street, then they are a very dumb dealer.

Anyhow, like I said, it isn't going to matter anyway.
May 20, 2011 1:27pm
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May 20, 2011 1:29 PM
WebFire;774999 wrote:Another thing to remember...even if the dealer did buy it that cheap, they wouldn't sell it to a normal person off the street for that much under book value. So if they sold it to Thad for that much lower because of who he was, that is a violation.

If they would sell it that cheap to anybody off the street, then they are a very dumb dealer.

Anyhow, like I said, it isn't going to matter anyway.

I got mine for $4k under the book value. They wanted the sale. They still made money.
May 20, 2011 1:29pm
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May 20, 2011 1:45 PM
Web, don't waste anymore time arguing with LJ. It is amazing how every single situation that comes up, he has experienced first hand in his life.
May 20, 2011 1:45pm
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May 20, 2011 1:45 PM
dat dude;774653 wrote:I don't suppose Sports by Brooks, Andy Staples, etc will tweet this information tomorrow, either.

I just tweeted at him, wondering if he'll tweet that article...his response, almost immediately:

@Andy_Staples
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@AMutlu000 I did. The day it came out. I also tweeted about how it was about half price.
May 20, 2011 1:45pm
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May 20, 2011 1:47 PM
Stewart Mandel also just tweeted the story.
May 20, 2011 1:47pm
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May 20, 2011 1:51 PM
karen lotz;775027 wrote:Web, don't waste anymore time arguing with LJ. It is amazing how every single situation that comes up, he has experienced first hand in his life.

Oh really? EVERY single situation? Doubtful. I can't help it that people don't like my life experience when I DO talk about the few things that I have done.
May 20, 2011 1:51pm
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May 20, 2011 1:55 PM
I will say buying cars is something I have a lot of experience with... I am 26 and have owned 13 vehicles
May 20, 2011 1:55pm
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May 20, 2011 2:01 PM
LJ;775040 wrote:I will say buying cars is something I have a lot of experience with... I am 26 and have owned 13 vehicles


Possibly the coolest story ever, bro.

You didn't play football at OSU, and the car you bought isn't the same set of circumstances as the one Gibson bought. But please, tell us about it a few more times!
May 20, 2011 2:01pm
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May 20, 2011 2:03 PM
karen lotz;775044 wrote:Possibly the coolest story ever, bro.

You didn't play football at OSU, and the car you bought isn't the same set of circumstances as the one Gibson bought. But please, tell us about it a few more times!

wait wait wait wait..... me telling a story about how a normal person CAN get those kinds of deals means that my story has nothing to do with whether or not a college football player received a deal that a normal person can or cannot get? impeccible logic.
May 20, 2011 2:03pm
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May 20, 2011 2:23 PM
LJ;775040 wrote:I will say buying cars is something I have a lot of experience with... I am 26 and have owned 13 vehicles

Must not be very good at it if your cars don't last you any longer. ;)
May 20, 2011 2:23pm
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May 20, 2011 2:24 PM
LJ;775004 wrote:I got mine for $4k under the book value. They wanted the sale. They still made money.

Ok. $4k under book value when Thad bought his was much higher that $13,700.
May 20, 2011 2:24pm
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May 20, 2011 2:29 PM
WebFire;775064 wrote:Must not be very good at it if your cars don't last you any longer. ;)

I get really bored with vehicles. I don't think I have ever owned a vehicle that had more than 80,000 miles on it
May 20, 2011 2:29pm
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May 20, 2011 2:30 PM
WebFire;775068 wrote:Ok. $4k under book value when Thad bought his was much higher that $13,700.

But you don't know what the auction value was at the time, which is my whole argument. If the dealer didn't take a loss on it, then they won't be able to say he get special treatment
May 20, 2011 2:30pm
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May 20, 2011 3:05 PM
I haven't really seen anything to this story that makes me think the deals themselves are going to lead to trouble for OSU.

So a bunch of players bought cars from the same guy and some of them (wasn't it "almost half") got good deals. Those points alone don't mean anything without some type of comparison to other customers. I've seen people say, "nobody else would get that deal", but I've seen no one even remotely attempt to prove that. How many other people bought cars from the guy? What were other customers paying? What did the purchase price vs. the sales price for the dealership...for all their sales?

Maybe there's more to it, maybe not. The shoddy reporting, the revisions since the original report - these things lead me to believe they knew they really had nothing so they just published what they had so it wasn't all for nothing. I don't blame anyone for looking at these things; it is obvious the NCAA can't do it all on their own. But this one seems like a pretty lame attempt to say, "we found something wrong". It certainly adds to the negative public perception, but I highly doubt it ever means a thing when it comes to the NCAA.
May 20, 2011 3:05pm
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May 20, 2011 3:36 PM
enigmaax;775115 wrote:I haven't really seen anything to this story that makes me think the deals themselves are going to lead to trouble for OSU.

So a bunch of players bought cars from the same guy and some of them (wasn't it "almost half") got good deals. Those points alone don't mean anything without some type of comparison to other customers. I've seen people say, "nobody else would get that deal", but I've seen no one even remotely attempt to prove that. How many other people bought cars from the guy? What were other customers paying? What did the purchase price vs. the sales price for the dealership...for all their sales?

I actually agree with you on this. The NCAA will not investigate hard enough, or it all, unless they really have reason to. And even then, I don't trust the NCAA enough to do it right. But without comparison data, there is no way to know if they were getting special pricing. All anyone can do is speculate.
May 20, 2011 3:36pm
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May 20, 2011 11:22 PM
WebFire;775140 wrote:All anyone can do is hate.

Fixed. :)
May 20, 2011 11:22pm
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May 21, 2011 10:42 AM
LJ;775004 wrote:I got mine for $4k under the book value. They wanted the sale. They still made money.

my father sold cars for 40 years and i couldnt even get that good of a deal.
May 21, 2011 10:42am
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May 21, 2011 10:56 AM
^^^seriously? I sure could--and did
May 21, 2011 10:56am