NCAA cites Boise State with lack of institutional control

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May 3, 2011 3:35 PM
arranging for low income housing.......................22 infractions from 2005-2010. No big deal I suppose here.
May 3, 2011 3:35pm
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May 3, 2011 3:41 PM
Minor minor violations for football, but this is bad news as far as the entire athletic department goes. Apparently they had some really shady things going on in other sports.
May 3, 2011 3:41pm
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May 3, 2011 3:42 PM
Wow. Not good.
May 3, 2011 3:42pm
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May 3, 2011 3:43 PM
lhslep134;758364 wrote:Minor minor violations for football, but this is bad news as far as the entire athletic department goes. Apparently they had some really shady things going on in other sports.

Women's tennis program.....
May 3, 2011 3:43pm
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May 3, 2011 3:45 PM
Doing everything they can for a seat at the big boy table.....or, uh....big woman table?
May 3, 2011 3:45pm
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May 3, 2011 3:50 PM
Can their smaller programs huge punishments affect (effect?) their football program at all? If not, this shouldn't even be news. Call me close minded, but Boise State womens tennis isn't bookmarked on my computer.
May 3, 2011 3:50pm
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May 3, 2011 4:15 PM
I'd like to welcome the BSU athletic department to big time college athletics.

They're being given the dreaded "lack of institutional control" tag to boot!
May 3, 2011 4:15pm
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May 3, 2011 4:27 PM
Who cares.
May 3, 2011 4:27pm
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May 3, 2011 5:29 PM
And the coach signed a statment that nothing was wrong. He is in for death via national media.
May 3, 2011 5:29pm
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May 3, 2011 5:58 PM
Zoltan;758472 wrote:And the coach signed a statment that nothing was wrong. He is in for death via national media.

Won't be one mention of this on SC.
May 3, 2011 5:58pm
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May 3, 2011 6:21 PM
Is there proof he knew of violations?
May 3, 2011 6:21pm
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May 3, 2011 6:30 PM
From what I saw on ESPN I am willing to bet that womens' sports get thrown under the bus by the football program. The tennis program had the major violation while the others were secondary. My hunch is that football will petition to have their infractions handled separately, even if it means serving up (no pun, really) the women.
May 3, 2011 6:30pm
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May 3, 2011 7:55 PM
Like I said everybody is doing it, even Boise State's women's tennis team.
May 3, 2011 7:55pm
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May 3, 2011 8:20 PM
LOL @ one of the improper benefits to a recruit, a $2.35 sandwich!!!
May 3, 2011 8:20pm
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May 3, 2011 8:36 PM
LJ;758625 wrote:LOL @ one of the improper benefits to a recruit, a $2.35 sandwich!!!

If it was a women's tennis player, this could have been avoided by her making the sandwich at home in her kitchen herself
May 3, 2011 8:36pm
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May 3, 2011 8:38 PM
LJ;758625 wrote:LOL @ one of the improper benefits to a recruit, a $2.35 sandwich!!!

just goes to show what a bitch the NCAA is how ridiculous their rules are.
May 3, 2011 8:38pm
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May 3, 2011 8:52 PM
Midstate01;758494 wrote:Won't be one mention of this on SC.

They brought it up live on SC around lunchtime.
May 3, 2011 8:52pm
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May 3, 2011 10:35 PM
NCAA =bad joke.

As others have alluded to, the NCAA rulebook is ridiculous. It is over 400 pages long and you practically need a lawyer to interpret it. Some schools pay nealy a million dollars a year just doing compliance paperwork. Just to play for an NCAA school, prospective athletes have to pay $65 and go thru the clearing house just for the privledge of playing by their rules.....rules that if not followed to the letter can results in suspensions etc etc etc. Most of these athletes are limited or non scholarship. One could argue that the NCAA with the cooperation of it's member schools abuses it's athletes. Anyone who has played college athletics, knows that it is equivalent to a full time job....and for that even the best of the best who receive full rides, are being compensated minimally while their schools and the organization rakes in $millions. I suppose it's 'voluntary slavery'...maybe that's how they get away with it.
May 3, 2011 10:35pm
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May 4, 2011 8:35 AM
HitsRus;758882 wrote:NCAA =bad joke.

As others have alluded to, the NCAA rulebook is ridiculous. It is over 400 pages long and you practically need a lawyer to interpret it. Some schools pay nealy a million dollars a year just doing compliance paperwork. Just to play for an NCAA school, prospective athletes have to pay $65 and go thru the clearing house just for the privledge of playing by their rules.....rules that if not followed to the letter can results in suspensions etc etc etc. Most of these athletes are limited or non scholarship. One could argue that the NCAA with the cooperation of it's member schools abuses it's athletes. Anyone who has played college athletics, knows that it is equivalent to a full time job....and for that even the best of the best who receive full rides, are being compensated minimally while their schools and the organization rakes in $millions. I suppose it's 'voluntary slavery'...maybe that's how they get away with it.

A lot of misinformation in this post.

Two of the common things that people are wrong about.

Myth #1: The schools are raking in the millions.
Truth: There are only about 10 Athletic departments out there that actually operate in the black.

Myth #2: The NCAA is raking in the millions.
Truth: The NCAA is a NON-PROFIT organization that uses the income from their successful sporting events to help give back to their member schools and help fund other sporting leagues/events that wouldn't exist otherwise.

Myth #3: Student athletes who receive scholarships are being compensated minimally.
Truth: A full ride is nothing to scoff at. People are constantly talking about the "education bubble" that is rising. There are a lot of recent graduates who attended college institution, incurred debt from loans to get the education that is supposedly a minimal compensation. And then they are now drowning in debt. I'm sorry, but a free education is nothing to scoff at with today's tuition, living, and books prices.

Also, to imply that full rides are minimal compensation seems to hint you think they should be played. Playing players would not work at all for a multitude of reasons. First, only a few schools actually operate in the black currently, so only a few schools would be able to pay SOME players. Most athletes wouldn't be paid at all and their sports most likely dropped. Currently the NCAA and College/Universities are set up to give opportunities to a variety of athletes in a variety of sports. Title IX would most likely have a huge effect on "paying" athletes; it wouldn't be as simple as most would like. Paying athletes simply isn't an option.
May 4, 2011 8:35am
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May 4, 2011 9:20 AM
Doesnt matter if the NCAA wants to call themselves a Non-Profit or not, they might give some money away...but they or any non-profit arent running on fumes, lol...the NCAA is raking in MILLIONS that they are keeping for themselves.
May 4, 2011 9:20am
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May 4, 2011 9:44 AM
Pick6;759245 wrote:Doesnt matter if the NCAA wants to call themselves a Non-Profit or not, they might give some money away...but they or any non-profit arent running on fumes, lol...the NCAA is raking in MILLIONS that they are keeping for themselves.

What do you think the NCAA uses to fund all of those championship meets and tournament games that aren't D1 Mens Basketball and Football? They aren't raking in millions and keeping it. They give money to other sports regular seasons and championships. They give back to the schools themselves.
May 4, 2011 9:44am
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May 4, 2011 9:53 AM
Fly4Fun;759256 wrote:What do you think the NCAA uses to fund all of those championship meets and tournament games that aren't D1 Mens Basketball and Football? They aren't raking in millions and keeping it. They give money to other sports regular seasons and championships. They give back to the schools themselves.

so how do they run if they are giving all of their money away? volunteering?
May 4, 2011 9:53am
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May 4, 2011 10:52 AM
Fly4Fun;759212 wrote:
Myth #3: Student athletes who receive scholarships are being compensated minimally.
Truth: A full ride is nothing to scoff at. People are constantly talking about the "education bubble" that is rising. There are a lot of recent graduates who attended college institution, incurred debt from loans to get the education that is supposedly a minimal compensation. And then they are now drowning in debt. I'm sorry, but a free education is nothing to scoff at with today's tuition, living, and books prices.

Also, to imply that full rides are minimal compensation seems to hint you think they should be played. Playing players would not work at all for a multitude of reasons. First, only a few schools actually operate in the black currently, so only a few schools would be able to pay SOME players. Most athletes wouldn't be paid at all and their sports most likely dropped. Currently the NCAA and College/Universities are set up to give opportunities to a variety of athletes in a variety of sports. Title IX would most likely have a huge effect on "paying" athletes; it wouldn't be as simple as most would like. Paying athletes simply isn't an option.

Nothing like making about $80,000 in four years. Wait....
May 4, 2011 10:52am
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May 4, 2011 11:15 AM
HitsRus;758882 wrote:NCAA =bad joke.

As others have alluded to, the NCAA rulebook is ridiculous. It is over 400 pages long and you practically need a lawyer to interpret it. Some schools pay nealy a million dollars a year just doing compliance paperwork. Just to play for an NCAA school, prospective athletes have to pay $65 and go thru the clearing house just for the privledge of playing by their rules.....rules that if not followed to the letter can results in suspensions etc etc etc. Most of these athletes are limited or non scholarship. One could argue that the NCAA with the cooperation of it's member schools abuses it's athletes. Anyone who has played college athletics, knows that it is equivalent to a full time job....and for that even the best of the best who receive full rides, are being compensated minimally while their schools and the organization rakes in $millions. I suppose it's 'voluntary slavery'...maybe that's how they get away with it.

So, your solution is...?

It really isn't funny, but I'm not sure how else to react to the "abuse" and "slavery" references. The NCAA has rules in place to try and keep some semblance of competitive balance. Maybe they overdo it sometimes, maybe the book itself is complex, but the idea is to prevent the handful of schools with rich boosters from becoming professional organizations while other schools are left to try and compete with leftovers. It is pretty simple - not always perfectly executed, but not evil in its intent.

College athletes choose to be such and are rewarded as well. I absolutely do not understand how people can downplay the significance of scholarship money. There are a certain elite handful who are simply using college as a stepping stone to a multi-million dollar pro career, but those are exceptions. The overwhelming majority of college athletes are getting an extra four years to play a game, some or all of their college paid for, and some additional perks that regular students aren't getting. There are also far more examples of athletes who get a free ride who otherwise would have been left out of the whole college experience. There is opportunity and those who take it certainly earn it and have to work for it - it isn't as though they're being forced to work for someone unwillingly.
May 4, 2011 11:15am
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May 4, 2011 11:32 AM
Pick6;759260 wrote:so how do they run if they are giving all of their money away? volunteering?

Sigh* Do you really not know how a non-profit works? There is no profit left over after all expenses, operating costs, employee wages, etc. are paid out. Any profit left over would be given back to member schools, thus the organization is non-profit.
May 4, 2011 11:32am