ptown_trojans_1;731340 wrote:Well, the riot wasn't over the "preacher's" threat to burn the Qur'an last September, but the result of him actually burning the Qur'an last month. Yeah, the "pastor" actually went through with it. That is what set off the riot. It's an important part of the story, and evidence that this idiot down in Florida is causing more harm that good.

Yes, those people should not have rioted, but without the burning there is no riot.
From the AP, bottom of the page: http://www.cbs12.com/news/afghanistan-4731736-protesters-quran.html

More rioting today thanks to this idiot.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/taliban-attack-nato-base-in-kabul-koran-protests-spread/2011/04/02/AFTC9rMC_story.html

Yes he's an idiot but what stuns me is that the act of one "idiot" in America (where he - at least at the moment - has the freedom to be an idiot) can cause idiots who follow the "religion of peace" to behead people and riot in countries halfway around the world.

Thread Bomber;730758 wrote:Deuteronomy 7:1-2

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

I have already tore you up once the last time you copy and pasted these verses fro your "I hate Christians" website. I will not go through one by one and tell you the actual context of each of these passages and once again explain what they mean. I hate repeating myself.

believer;731347 wrote:Yes he's an idiot but what stuns me is that the act of one "idiot" in America (where he - at least at the moment - has the freedom to be an idiot) can cause people who follow the "religion of peace" to behead people and riot in countries halfway around the world.

Exactly. The pastor is an idiot. But it makes me just as sick to see people almost justifying the riots by saying "well if the pastor didn't burn the Koran there wouldn't be any riots".

jmog;731349 wrote:I have already tore you up once the last time you copy and pasted these verses fro your "I hate Christians" website. I will not go through one by one and tell you the actual context of each of these passages and once again explain what they mean. I hate repeating myself.

Don't try. At least while he's hating on Christians he's at least being exposed to the Word.

believer;731353 wrote:Don't try. At least while he's hating on Christians he's at least being exposed to the Word.

I am glad someone made mention to these verses in the past. Verses written pre-fulfillment of messianic covenant seem to be the modus operandi when implicating Christianity as a religion of malice.

jmog;731342 wrote:No offense but go try to be a Christian or Jew ESPECIALLY if you are trying to spread either religion in any fully Islamic nation. Don't kid yourself into thinking this is only in Ethiopia.

My point was one Muslim country and one incident do not justify all Muslim countries. And from my personal experiences I'd disagree with the notion that Christians are at risk in Muslim countries.

jmog;731345 wrote:So are you justifying the riots because of a burnt holy book?

Nope. Not at all. The people should not have rioted, period. However, this was one of the calmest sections of the country and suddenly, but because of this action, erupted in violence.

believer;731347 wrote:Yes he's an idiot but what stuns me is that the act of one "idiot" in America (where he - at least at the moment - has the freedom to be an idiot) can cause idiots who follow the "religion of peace" to behead people and riot in countries halfway around the world.

I disagree with the violence. It should not have happened. However, just like Ultra-Orthodox Jews, Muslims view the Qur'an itself as sacred and should not be defaced. That said, their anger for the defacing should not have resulted in violence. It is a huge issue that violence occurred and the radical clerics used the burning as a triggering event to lead to violence after Friday prayer.

jmog;731352 wrote:Exactly. The pastor is an idiot. But it makes me just as sick to see people almost justifying the riots by saying "well if the pastor didn't burn the Koran there wouldn't be any riots".

There is a linkage between the events. 1. This was a peaceful section in northern Afghanistan. 2. The burning of the book led the radical clerics as ammo to fire up the worshipers in the area. 3. After the prayers, the people were so charged from this that rationality went out the window and hate erupted. No burning and the clerics have no ammo. It's pretty simple.
Again, not justifying the riots at all. The people should not have killed those UN workers at all, nor result to violence, but to ignore the burning as a cause of the event ignores the interlinkage between the issues.

Yeah. I mean, if I call a dude in a bar who's just hanging out otherwise a bunch of names and say bad things about his wife and then he stabs me to death. Yes he did wrong but I definitely caused it. Should he have done it? Nope, but we all understand why he did.

believer;731347 wrote:Yes he's an idiot but what stuns me is that the act of one "idiot" in America (where he - at least at the moment - has the freedom to be an idiot) can cause idiots who follow the "religion of peace" to behead people and riot in countries halfway around the world.

I mean, it's not just this one act. How about the people in Murfreesboro, Tenn. that have burned and threatened the muslim people in that community?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/28/national/main6814690.shtml


This one event is just the icing on the cake. I am not condoning the violence at all, it is idiotic. But there is hypocrisy on both sides. No religion is a "religion of peace" if you want to point out certain groups and their actions.

If we're picking random incidents among people with the Muslim faith to be indicative of the entire thing, can we also put all Christians in the same boat as the Westboro Baptist people or the kid-sodomizing priests whose acts the Catholics put so much effort into pretending wasn't so bad?

If anyone takes the mental energy into looking at things from a historical perspective, they'd realize the utter stupidity of pretending Christinsanity has any less blood on its hands than any other religion. Or just take the easy way out and pretend all the people who do horrible things in your bible's name are just nutsos who don't represent any aspect of the belief.

dwccrew;731511 wrote:I mean, it's not just this one act. How about the people in Murfreesboro, Tenn. that have burned and threatened the muslim people in that community?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/28/national/main6814690.shtml


This one event is just the icing on the cake. I am not condoning the violence at all, it is idiotic. But there is hypocrisy on both sides. No religion is a "religion of peace" if you want to point out certain groups and their actions.

I'm not defending the fine folks at Murfreesboro nor the "pastor" who burns Korans. And you are correct that in the strictest sense absolutely no religion is immune from violent acts in the name of their religion.

But radical Islam in particular is the religion at this moment in human history that professes peace but clearly practices a peculiarly violent and despicable brand of it. They deserve to be called out on it.

One pastor burning a Koran in his home country that protects by law freedom of speech and expression is absurd, but I do not see Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. beheading innocents in the name of Allah because of the actions of one fool halfway across the world.

When Islamic clerics get their alleged peaceful house in order rather than inciting the faithful to violence, I'll stop the criticism of the religion of peace.

Watching the Sunday news shows, I learned that a pastor of an extremely small church in Florida is directly responsible for the murders and mutilations in Afghanistan without ever leaving his state. I learned that it was as if he pulled the triggers as he infuriated people that would not otherwise be prone to infuriation. I wonder when they'll come slap the cuffs on the pastor, Terry Jones? Better yet, I wonder how long it will take "peaceful" people to murder him or his family?

BGFalcons82;731587 wrote:Watching the Sunday news shows, I learned that a pastor of an extremely small church in Florida is directly responsible for the murders and mutilations in Afghanistan without ever leaving his state. I learned that it was as if he pulled the triggers as he infuriated people that would not otherwise be prone to infuriation. I wonder when they'll come slap the cuffs on the pastor, Terry Jones? Better yet, I wonder how long it will take "peaceful" people to murder him or his family?

Yeah...it's amazing how powerful an insignificant yet moronic pastor from a small Florida church can be. He can cause those who belong to the most peaceful religion on earth to become enraged enough to behead innocent people in retribution for a sinister book burning. Allah must be pleased.

At the very least the United States gubmint publicly condemned this insignificant moronic pastor for the dirty deed. I just hope the Feds are equally willing to protect his Constitutional right to be a moron.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/islams_global_war_against_chri.html

July 05, 2007
Islam's Global War against Christianity
By Patrick Poole

Belly35;731639 wrote:http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/islams_global_war_against_chri.html

July 05, 2007
Islam's Global War against Christianity
By Patrick Poole

Islam - the tolerant religion of peace - is not at war against Christianity. The infidel Christians and Jews are at war with Islam. Haven't you been watching the leftist news?

believer;731647 wrote:Islam - the tolerant religion of peace - is not at war against Christianity. The infidel Christians and Jews are at war with Islam. Haven't you been watching the leftist news?

Maybe you didnt know that Muslims pray for the protection and help of those that do not believe. There are extremists in every religion. Muslims are also willing to die for their religion (and no I am not talking about terrorism). They take their shit seriously, unlike the majority of America that claims to be Christian, yet dont go to church or follow the bible. How can you claim to be a part of a religion but dont practice it?

Heretic;731521 wrote:If we're picking random incidents among people with the Muslim faith to be indicative of the entire thing, can we also put all Christians in the same boat as the Westboro Baptist people or the kid-sodomizing priests whose acts the Catholics put so much effort into pretending wasn't so bad?

If anyone takes the mental energy into looking at things from a historical perspective, they'd realize the utter stupidity of pretending Christinsanity has any less blood on its hands than any other religion. Or just take the easy way out and pretend all the people who do horrible things in your bible's name are just nutsos who don't represent any aspect of the belief.

+1

Pick6;731657 wrote:Maybe you didnt know that Muslims pray for the protection and help of those that do not believe. There are extremists in every religion. Muslims are also willing to die for their religion (and no I am not talking about terrorism). They take their shit seriously, unlike the majority of America that claims to be Christian, yet dont go to church or follow the bible. How can you claim to be a part of a religion but dont practice it?

You must be talking about someone else.

believer;731664 wrote:You must be talking about someone else.

Im talking about the majority of Americans that claim to be Christian, not you, obviously.

Pick6;731666 wrote:Im talking about the majority of Americans that claim to be Christian, not you, obviously.

I'm not sure I understand your line of reasoning. Are you saying because muslims care so deeply about their religion that they are somehow more "worthy" of what they believe? And if they are more "worthy" of their religion, then they also have more rights than others to practice their faith? In other words, are you supporting muslims because they are better at practicing what Allah preaches than Christians are at practicing Jesus' word?

Pick6;731666 wrote:Im talking about the majority of Americans that claim to be Christian, not you, obviously.

While it is true that a majority of Americans who claim to be Christian don't practice the religion, I think it's safe to say that even if the Americans who claim they are Christian actually practiced their faith, I highly doubt any of them would behead the nearest available non-Christian if they learned an idiot Muslim imam halfway across the globe burned a Bible.

I'm also reasonably confident that although there are a handful of pastors who might burn a Koran, there's a very, very good chance no Christian pastor would encourage his or her congregation to commit murder or other acts of violence against the unbeliever for burning that Bible.

American liberals never cease to amaze me. They'll easily come to the defense of a religion obviously filled with a significant number of radical and violent extremists in the interest of fostering "tolerance & understanding", but will go out of their way to mock, belittle and denigrate Christians as a general rule at every available opportunity.

BGFalcons82;731670 wrote:I'm not sure I understand your line of reasoning. Are you saying because muslims care so deeply about their religion that they are somehow more "worthy" of what they believe? And if they are more "worthy" of their religion, then they also have more rights than others to practice their faith? In other words, are you supporting muslims because they are better at practicing what Allah preaches than Christians are at practicing Jesus' word?

not at all. I'm a Christian, but Im obviously a little more open minded than a lot of you. And for the record, muslims believe in Jesus.

believer;731672 wrote:While it is true that a majority of Americans who claim to be Christian don't practice the religion, I think it's safe to say that even if the Americans who claim they are Christian actually practiced their faith, I highly doubt any of them would behead the nearest available non-Christian if they learned a Muslim imam halfway across the globe burned a Bible.

I'm also reasonably confident that although there are a handful of pastors who might burn a Koran, there's a very, very good chance no Christian pastor would encourage his or her congregation to commit murder or other acts of violence against the unbeliever for burning that Bible.

American liberals never cease to amaze me. They'll easily come to the defense of a religion obviously filled with a significant number of radical and violent extremists in the interest of fostering "tolerance & understanding", but will go out of their way to mock, belittle and denigrate Christians as a general rule at every available opportunity.

Lol. I dont know how hard it is to understand that what you see on the news is a VERY small percentage of Muslims. Islam is the second largest religion in the world and it WILL eventually overtake the #1 spot over Christianity. There are extremists in every religion. Do you think the whole Christian religion should be judged on the idiot who burned to Koran, or the idiots at Westboro Baptist? You have a typical "you dont believe the same as me, so I'm better than you" attitude. Maybe you should respect other people's beliefs.

believer;731647 wrote:Islam - the tolerant religion of peace - is not at war against Christianity. The infidel Christians and Jews are at war with Islam. Haven't you been watching the leftist news?

Well I mean, there aren't any Christian countries occupied by Muslim armies. Just saying.

I don't think either religion is at war with the other and I think those that think so probably just don't like the other one.

Pick6;731692 wrote:not at all. I'm a Christian, but Im obviously a little more open minded than a lot of you. And for the record, muslims believe in Jesus.

For the record they don't "believe in Jesus"...they only believe he existed and is a minor prophet.

Pick6;731692 wrote:Lol. I dont know how hard it is to understand that what you see on the news is a VERY small percentage of Muslims.

A very small and extremely violent percentage...violent enough to behead innocents if necessary to seek revenge in the name of Allah.

Pick6;731692 wrote:Islam is the second largest religion in the world and it WILL eventually overtake the #1 spot over Christianity.

What's your point? But I will say that Islam will indeed overtake Christianity even if they need to resort to violence to make it so.

Pick6;731692 wrote:There are extremists in every religion.

I agree but Islamic extremists take it to a whole new bizarre and violent level.

Pick6;731692 wrote:Do you think the whole Christian religion should be judged on the idiot who burned to Koran, or the idiots at Westboro Baptist?

The difference is Christians openly condemn their idiots. Muslims as a whole are strangely silent when their kook fringe kills infidels in the name of Allah.

Pick6;731692 wrote:You have a typical "you dont believe the same as me, so I'm better than you" attitude.

Total bullshit...nuff said.

Pick6;731692 wrote:Maybe you should respect other people's beliefs.

I do. I just wish American liberals and Islamic extremists would respect mine.

believer;731748 wrote: The difference is Christians openly condemn their idiots. Muslims as a whole are strangely silent when their kook fringe kills infidels in the name of Allah.

I take issue with this because my father's side of the family is muslim and they openly condemn terrorists, terrorist acts and terrorist groups (and are very active in the muslim community). I have a different perspective coming from a multi-faith family (mother's side is Christian). Just as you say the liberal (left) media is biased, so is the conservative (right) media. They ignore and never report on muslims that do condemn terrorist acts. It's very easy to search the internet and find many examples of muslims that speak out against radical Islam.

While I agree that the small minority of radical muslims is loud and extremely violent, I will not condemn an entire religion based upon that fact. I respect your posts and opinions, but they are biased. Your view of Islam and musims is skewed. When you type things like: 'the so-called "religion of peace"', that is an insult to many muslims that do not share the beliefs of radical Islam. You should really take the time to visit a mosque in your area and meet with muslims and learn about Islam. In Toledo, the Islamic center is always open to muslims and non-muslims alike. They welcome visitors to come meet and learn about what Islam is truly about. I don't know why people still say that muslims don't condemn radical Islam when they most certainly do and they also have reached out in some communities to non-muslims.

dwccrew;731808 wrote:I take issue with this because my father's side of the family is muslim and they openly condemn terrorists, terrorist acts and terrorist groups (and are very active in the muslim community). I have a different perspective coming from a multi-faith family (mother's side is Christian). Just as you say the liberal (left) media is biased, so is the conservative (right) media. They ignore and never report on muslims that do condemn terrorist acts. It's very easy to search the internet and find many examples of muslims that speak out against radical Islam.

While I agree that the small minority of radical muslims is loud and extremely violent, I will not condemn an entire religion based upon that fact. I respect your posts and opinions, but they are biased. Your view of Islam and musims is skewed. When you type things like: 'the so-called "religion of peace"', that is an insult to many muslims that do not share the beliefs of radical Islam. You should really take the time to visit a mosque in your area and meet with muslims and learn about Islam. In Toledo, the Islamic center is always open to muslims and non-muslims alike. They welcome visitors to come meet and learn about what Islam is truly about. I don't know why people still say that muslims don't condemn radical Islam when they most certainly do and they also have reached out in some communities to non-muslims.

Fair enough but for the record, I choose to use phrases like the "so-called religion of peace" to drive home a point. I never said I thought all Muslims are extremists. But until the more civil and level-headed Muslims (especially the clerics) gain control of their minority yet radical and extremely violent element, - my admitted bias aside - it's still reasonably fair to say that Islam itself is nowhere near being perceived as the self-professed religion of peace...at least in 2011.