SportsAndLady;725780 wrote:Lol

1) You don't think OSU fans would trade for Bill Self?

SportsAndLady;725804 wrote:Yeah if you wanna count Self's 4 years at Oral Roberts...but he didn't enter big time coaching until his first year at Tulsa. ORU wasn't even in NCAA but for a few years, and were independent. how is he supposed to win conf. titles and enter the NCAA tourney without a conference?

LJ;725807 wrote:They were NAIA for 2 years, give me a break

SportsAndLady;725806 wrote:In Self's 11 years after Oral roberts:

1 NCAA championship
5 Elite 8s
1 Sweet Sixteen
2 Second round
2 First round
1 no postseason--first season at Tulsa

SportsAndLady;725809 wrote:What? How are you supposed to make the NCAA tournament as an independent? You can't count those 4 years at ORU.

LJ;725797 wrote:Thad Matta as a coach

4 Major conference titles
8 total conference titles
4 2nd round appearances
2 sweet 16 appearances
1 elite 8
1 National Runner up
1 NIT championship
1 NCAA first round exit


Bill Self first 11 years
3 major conference titles
5 total conference titles
2 2nd rounds
1 sweet 16
3 elite 8
1 NIT first round

LJ;725810 wrote:Matta hasn't even been coaching that long, so not even a fair comparison. Matta's first 11 years as a head coach >>>>> Self's. You can spin it all you want, but it's reality

mhs95_06;725815 wrote:How can Self have 3 elite 8s and just 1 sweet 16, and just 2 2nd rounds?

SportsAndLady;725816 wrote:I'm not really spinning it...Self's first 11 years in major D1 coaching>>>>>Matta's first 11 years in D1 major coaching.

If Matta coached at an independent team for 4 years, I wouldn't count that as D1 major coaching.

LJ;725813 wrote:WHAT?!

He was a fucking .500 coach at Oral Roberts.

Can't count them? BULLSHIT

LJ;725819 wrote:You are just spinning the facts how you want. Sorry you don't like reality. Give Matta 7 more years and let's see what he can do.

SportsAndLady;725820 wrote:Because we're comparing their NCAA tournament resume's...how in the hell is Self supposed to make the NCAA tournament at Oral Roberts, who were just granted D1 status??? Win the AQ independent conference???

SportsAndLady;725821 wrote:Just trying to have a fair comparison.

LJ;725822 wrote:He was a .500 coach. Maybe if he had coached his team to great regular seasons they could have received one of the at large bids.

LJ;725824 wrote:But yours is not fair. Matta has been coaching 11 years, Self 18. Those extra 7 years are 7 years more of experience, 7 years more of being in situations and learning how to handle them.

SportsAndLady;725825 wrote:And since when has an independent team ever received an at-large bid?

SportsAndLady;725749 wrote:By the way, Downs...Donovan just got outcoached by Brad Stevens, it was so obvious...further proving my point that Billy Donovan isn't a great coach, he just road that one great recruiting class to two titles. ONE final four in the other 10 years; multiple missed NCAA tourneys....he is not better than Self, give me a break.

LJ;725828 wrote:I think you need to do some research there bud

Skyhook79;725830 wrote:Then why did you post this earlier in the thread?


"You need a great NCAA tournament coach to win a national championship...look at the last few winners...Roy Williams, Bill Self, Coach K, Billy Donovan....Thad Matta just isn't a national championship coach."

SportsAndLady;725831 wrote:On what? Independent teams to receive an at large bid? What am I missing?

LJ;725833 wrote:One that comes to mind is VCU 1984 just because of them making a run currently.