lhslep134
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Mar 18, 2011 11:04am
thedynasty1998;716372 wrote:WHAT?!
Dez Bryant missed 8 games and was a 1st round pick and had a good rookie year. WHAT?! IS?! YOUR?! POINT?!?!
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 18, 2011 11:07am
lhslep134;716376 wrote:Dez Bryant missed 8 games and was a 1st round pick and had a good rookie year. WHAT?! IS?! YOUR?! POINT?!?!
What is your point?
Dez Bryant was a 1st round pick that dropped because of character issues. He would have been a top 5 pick.
These are players who have been big time contributors for three years and are the leaders of this team. I think people are underestimating just how big of a suspension 5 games really is. I think the players 5 game suspension is far worse than Tressel's original punishment.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 18, 2011 11:08am
thedynasty1998;716381 wrote:What is your point?
Dez Bryant was a 1st round pick that dropped because of character issues. He would have been a top 5 pick.
These are players who have been big time contributors for three years and are the leaders of this team. I think people are underestimating just how big of a suspension 5 games really is. I think the players 5 game suspension is far worse than Tressel's original punishment.
Would you rather be suspended from watching TV for 5 days or be suspended for 2 and pay a large fine?
thedynasty1998
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Mar 18, 2011 11:10am
LJ;716383 wrote:Would you rather be suspended from watching TV for 5 days or be suspended for 2 and pay a large fine?
Great analogy, not.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 18, 2011 11:12am
thedynasty1998;716389 wrote:Great analogy, not.
:rolleyes:
The players are playing at GAME at a SCHOOL that they are not getting paid for.
Tressel is being suspended from his JOB and fined MONEY.
So ok, which would you rather have. Not watch TV for 5 days or be suspended from work for 2 and have a significant fine taken from your paycheck?
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 18, 2011 11:18am
Okay, i'll answer your idiotic question.
The players are playing a game that is basically a minor league system for their ultimate goal. They are missing 5/45 of their games, which is where they are noticed and why they practice. That's over 40% of their games, so if you want to compare it to watching TV, which is just dumb in itself, it would be like not watching TV for 146 days out of the year.
Tressel's job isn't just on game days. From my understanding he can still be at all practices and go through prep work. Yes, he's missing the games as well, but he has as many more games to coach as he wants. The $250,000 is insignificant, but for someone who has probably over $20 million in net worth, it's not even something he will notice.
I think the players punishment is worse.
The players are playing a game that is basically a minor league system for their ultimate goal. They are missing 5/45 of their games, which is where they are noticed and why they practice. That's over 40% of their games, so if you want to compare it to watching TV, which is just dumb in itself, it would be like not watching TV for 146 days out of the year.
Tressel's job isn't just on game days. From my understanding he can still be at all practices and go through prep work. Yes, he's missing the games as well, but he has as many more games to coach as he wants. The $250,000 is insignificant, but for someone who has probably over $20 million in net worth, it's not even something he will notice.
I think the players punishment is worse.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 18, 2011 11:24am
That is not the NCAA's concern, nor is that factored into punishment. This is about the 2011 season.thedynasty1998;716402 wrote:Okay, i'll answer your idiotic question.
The players are playing a game that is basically a minor league system for their ultimate goal. They are missing 5/45 of their games, which is where they are noticed and why they practice.
So what else do you do that is merely a game that is not your job? I, personally, do not care if you ever think it could turn into a job. That is not my problem. Just like it isn't the NCAA's problemThat's over 40% of their games, so if you want to compare it to watching TV, which is just dumb in itself, it would be like not watching TV for 146 days out of the year.
So using your percentage method you would have to be suspended 40 days from work and have your salary cut 8%. Right NOW, currently, in 2011 which is all I care about, the punishment of the fine and suspension from work hits you much much hard.Tressel's job isn't just on game days. From my understanding he can still be at all practices and go through prep work. Yes, he's missing the games as well, but he has as many more games to coach as he wants. The $250,000 is insignificant, but for someone who has probably over $20 million in net worth, it's not even something he will notice.
With flawed logic yes.I think the players punishment is worse.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 18, 2011 11:33am
Your logic isn't flawed, when you compare suspensions from football games to watching TV, but mine is. Brilliant.
The thing you are ignoring is that we now know what the final verdict on the players suspension is. That's what the NCAA finds to be fair. We don't know what they will say about Tressel, as it was self imposed. Could his punishment end up being worse? Absolutely. But as of right now it's not.
And it's comical if Tressel accepts the 5 game suspension, but keeps his money.
The thing you are ignoring is that we now know what the final verdict on the players suspension is. That's what the NCAA finds to be fair. We don't know what they will say about Tressel, as it was self imposed. Could his punishment end up being worse? Absolutely. But as of right now it's not.
And it's comical if Tressel accepts the 5 game suspension, but keeps his money.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 18, 2011 11:36am
thedynasty1998;716425 wrote:Your logic isn't flawed, when you compare suspensions from football games to watching TV, but mine is. Brilliant.
The thing you are ignoring is that we now know what the final verdict on the players suspension is. That's what the NCAA finds to be fair. We don't know what they will say about Tressel, as it was self imposed. Could his punishment end up being worse? Absolutely. But as of right now it's not.
And it's comical if Tressel accepts the 5 game suspension, but keeps his money.
Both are nothing more than a Hobby currently. It's no different than if you got free cable because you are good at watching TV. They are still merely playing a game in school.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 18, 2011 11:39am
LJ;716431 wrote:Both are nothing more than a Hobby currently. It's no different than if you got free cable because you are good at watching TV. They are still merely playing a game in school.
You are not worth even responding to if you believe that.
LJ
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Mar 18, 2011 11:40am
thedynasty1998;716438 wrote:You are not worth even responding to if you believe that.
It's the truth. Just because a player wants to use it as an audition for a pro league, that is not any concern of the school or NCAA.
thedynasty1998
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Mar 18, 2011 11:43am
LJ;716442 wrote:It's the truth. Just because a player wants to use it as an audition for a pro league, that is not any concern of the school or NCAA.
I'm not saying it's of concern to the NCAA. They shouldn't factor that into their decision. But because it is a minor league system, and what is at stake for the players, I think their punishment is more severe.
You can get on your high horse about how the NCAA is about student-athletes and they are just playing a game, but I know you are not that naive. It's all about money.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 18, 2011 11:46am
It is NOT a minor league system. The players use it as such, but that is not what it is. If it was, contact with agents and stuff would be allowed.thedynasty1998;716444 wrote:I'm not saying it's of concern to the NCAA. They shouldn't factor that into their decision. But because it is a minor league system, and what is at stake for the players, I think their punishment is more severe.
[quotw]You can get on your high horse about how the NCAA is about student-athletes and they are just playing a game, but I know you are not that naive. It's all about money.[/QUOTE] It is what it is. Most NCAA athletes don't even make it to the pros. Something ~2%. I wouldn't call a 98% "failure" rate a "minor league" system
thedynasty1998
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Mar 18, 2011 12:02pm
The NFL uses the NCAA as a minor league system. The players use it as a minor league system. The NCAA profits extremely well, and is in the business of profiting. They treat it as a business. Coaches are paid millions. Universities have corporate sponsors.
There is nothing amateur about it.
There is nothing amateur about it.
LJ
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Mar 18, 2011 12:13pm
thedynasty1998;716465 wrote:The NFL uses the NCAA as a minor league system. The players use it as a minor league system. The NCAA profits extremely well, and is in the business of profiting. They treat it as a business. Coaches are paid millions. Universities have corporate sponsors.
There is nothing amateur about it.
The NCAA does not. Therefore, in the NCAA's mind, all they can give a player is a suspension. They cannot fine them anything, and they do not care what the player thinks their future will be. To a coach, they can hit them harder by taking away games AND money. A suspension + fine is a harder hit than just not playing in games.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 18, 2011 12:20pm
LJ;716475 wrote:The NCAA does not. Therefore, in the NCAA's mind, all they can give a player is a suspension. They cannot fine them anything, and they do not care what the player thinks their future will be. To a coach, they can hit them harder by taking away games AND money. A suspension + fine is a harder hit than just not playing in games.
Okay, we agree to disagree. I never said anything about fining players. I never claimed the NCAA should factor in a professional career.
All I said was I think the players are being punished much more harsh than Tressel originally was. I think most would agree with me.
karen lotz
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Mar 18, 2011 12:38pm
LJ;716431 wrote:Both are nothing more than a Hobby currently. It's no different than if you got free cable because you are good at watching TV. They are still merely playing a game in school.
There is absolutely no chance you actually believe that playing Division I football at Ohio State is nothing more than a hobby, at least I would hope not.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 18, 2011 12:46pm
karen lotz;716515 wrote:There is absolutely no chance you actually believe that playing Division I football at Ohio State is nothing more than a hobby, at least I would hope not.
There are many many players on the team who do it for nothing more than fun. Just because some players want to use it as an audition is no concern of mine or the NCAA, because that is not what it is. It is a competitive sport that is played for fun and glory.
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elbuckeye28
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Mar 18, 2011 1:53pm
LJ;716523 wrote:There are many many players on the team who do it for nothing more than fun. Just because some players want to use it as an audition is no concern of mine or the NCAA, because that is not what it is. It is a competitive sport that is played for fun and glory.
No doubt that many players in college play sports because they love the game, but I guess I don't include competitive sports, where winning and losing is so important and so much time, energy, and emotion is involved, a hobby.
LJ
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Mar 18, 2011 2:02pm
elbuckeye28;716645 wrote:No doubt that many players in college play sports because they love the game, but I guess I don't include competitive sports, where winning and losing is so important and so much time, energy, and emotion is involved, a hobby.
Then what is it? they are not getting paid. It's not a job.
thedynasty1998
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Mar 18, 2011 2:17pm
LJ;716657 wrote:Then what is it? they are not getting paid. It's not a job.
You really can't be this simple minded, can you?
Go ask any coach who has lost his job if it's just a hobby?
You sound like a moron saying that playing football at Ohio State is just a hobby. It's really not even worth elaborating how idiotic it sounds.
A hobby is playing PS3. Playing D1 football at OSU is as much of a full time job as there is. Think of it as an unpaid internship, maybe that might make more sense to you.
sleeper
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Mar 18, 2011 2:21pm
My question is, if Tressel is suspended for 5 games, does he also lose his game check for those games as well?
LJ
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Mar 18, 2011 2:21pm
Key word there, JOB :rolleyes:thedynasty1998;716682 wrote:You really can't be this simple minded, can you?
Go ask any coach who has lost his job if it's just a hobby?
An unpaid internship with a sucess rate of 2%, yeah. More players than you think do it just for fun. they do it because they love the game.You sound like a moron saying that playing football at Ohio State is just a hobby. It's really not even worth elaborating how idiotic it sounds.
A hobby is playing PS3. Playing D1 football at OSU is as much of a full time job as there is. Think of it as an unpaid internship, maybe that might make more sense to you.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 18, 2011 2:24pm
sleeper;716690 wrote:My question is, if Tressel is suspended for 5 games, does he also lose his game check for those games as well?
I would think so
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 18, 2011 2:27pm
LJ;716692 wrote:Key word there, JOB :rolleyes:
An unpaid internship with a sucess rate of 2%, yeah. More players than you think do it just for fun. they do it because they love the game.
They do it because they get scholarships and are treated like gods.
When you put it in perspective, it's really pathetic that 100,000+ people pack the Horseshoe on Saturdays to watch some 18-21 year old kids go do their hobby. I wish people had as much interest in my hobbies...