Archive Diebler's Last Two Games

Hb31187

Posts: 8,534

Mar 8, 2011 1:57pm

Skyhook79;703482 wrote:+ Mark Jackson says so all the time

Haha it must be right then

Hb31187

Posts: 8,534

Mar 8, 2011 1:58pm

vball10set;703483 wrote:http://audacityofhoops.blogspot.com/2010/03/good-offense-beats-good-defense.html

"Why would this pattern exist? I’m sure it’s a combination of reasons, but I think the main underlying factor might be how close the game is. Those negative corners should be where the blowouts are concentrated, while the positive areas are between more closely matched teams. It seems natural that either A) offenses play a little sloppier once a game is lopsided, or B) once the scrubs take the court, their poor shooting and execution lowers offensive efficiency.

Hopefully soon I can take a look at the numbers from other years and see if the pattern is consistent."

Skyhook79

Posts: 5,739

Mar 8, 2011 2:00pm

swamisez;703430 wrote:I think Craft is good, don't get me wrong. But the NCAA tournament is full of great scorers. If Kansas State were playing OSU in the sweet 16 do you really believe Jacob Pullen would be shut down by Aaron Craft? Kemba Walker? I would even venture that Malcolm Delaney would have a great night (granted VT would still lose by 20+).

Personally, I don't believe he can. I also believe when he gets out of the Big Ten players who are more active with the dribble will get him into foul trouble because of his lack in lateral quickness.

I have watched lots of Ohio State this year, but more importantly I have watched more than just Ohio State. There are innumerable guards that would make life for him hell. The caveat must be that a team must have bodies down low that can keep secondary defenders honest. Aaron Craft will not be able to limit good point guards ability to create shots for himself. He is not quick enough. I am confident this fact will come to light in the sweet sixteen or earlier.

I don't know the answer, but I do have a question who was the last national champion who played exclusively with a white point guard? (Jerry McNamara was a SG, and Jon Scheyer, well if you think he is a true PG well we can agree to disagree).

Bobby Hurley or Mike Bibby?

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Prescott

Posts: 2,569

Mar 8, 2011 2:01pm

who are more active with the dribble will get him into foul trouble because of his lack in lateral quickness.

What lack of lateral quickness?? According to Matta and basketball analysts who have watched Craft play his lateral quickness is exceptional. I tend to agree.

Mike Bibby?

Bibby's father is an African-American.

swamisez

Posts: 1,990

Mar 8, 2011 2:05pm

Great link, and research there by audacity

What this says is that when both the offense and the defense were very good or very bad, the offense did better than you’d expect. On the other hand, when there was a severe mismatch – either the offense was way better than the defense, or the defense was way better than the offense – the offense did worse than expected. (Keep in mind that the quality of the offense/defense should already be taken into account by the formula).

se-alum

Posts: 13,948

Mar 8, 2011 2:42pm

swamisez;703430 wrote:I think Craft is good, don't get me wrong. But the NCAA tournament is full of great scorers. If Kansas State were playing OSU in the sweet 16 do you really believe Jacob Pullen would be shut down by Aaron Craft? Kemba Walker? I would even venture that Malcolm Delaney would have a great night (granted VT would still lose by 20+).

Personally, I don't believe he can. I also believe when he gets out of the Big Ten players who are more active with the dribble will get him into foul trouble because of his lack in lateral quickness.

I have watched lots of Ohio State this year, but more importantly I have watched more than just Ohio State. There are innumerable guards that would make life for him hell. The caveat must be that a team must have bodies down low that can keep secondary defenders honest. Aaron Craft will not be able to limit good point guards ability to create shots for himself. He is not quick enough. I am confident this fact will come to light in the sweet sixteen or earlier.

I don't know the answer, but I do have a question who was the last national champion who played exclusively with a white point guard? (Jerry McNamara was a SG, and Jon Scheyer, well if you think he is a true PG well we can agree to disagree).

I guess will see, and your statement that Craft doesn't have lateral quickness basically because he is white is assinine. Out of all the OSU games you "watched", tell me what PG was able to blow by Craft repeatedly?

september63

Posts: 5,789

Mar 8, 2011 2:53pm

Thad Matta has said Craft has the quickest lateral movement, on defense, of any player he has ever coached!!

Jester

Posts: 700

Mar 8, 2011 3:37pm

september63;703569 wrote:Thad Motta has said Craft has the quickest lateral movement, on defense, of any player he has ever coached!!

Motta? Really? SMH.

se-alum

Posts: 13,948

Mar 8, 2011 3:44pm

september63;703569 wrote:Thad Motta has said Craft has the quickest lateral movement, on defense, of any player he has ever coached!!

Let's not forget that swamisez is the same person that said OSU is a "decent" team...lol!

robj55

Posts: 9,511

Mar 8, 2011 4:03pm

Lack of lateral quickness? In a word........No

robj55

Posts: 9,511

Mar 8, 2011 4:04pm

And like I stated before about Diebler, Matt Caroll ring a bell for anyone?

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devil1197

Posts: 6,220

Mar 8, 2011 5:51pm

I am taking Craft defensively against any PG in the country imo. They will need an insane shooting performance like Taylor, who was shut down in the second game.

OSU beats UNC by 10+.

ytownfootball

Posts: 6,978

Mar 8, 2011 6:13pm

Craft is just so tenacious that he tends to piss the opposition off, he doesn't give you a break. That's why he's so good.

karen lotz

Posts: 22,284

Mar 8, 2011 9:06pm

devil1197;703809 wrote:OSU beats UNC by 10+.

Really?

swamisez

Posts: 1,990

Mar 8, 2011 11:20pm

I won't continue to argue with buckeye fans about their purported weaknesses. It is an impossible proposition to suggest such an idea on this board. Will wait till March and when they bow out of the tournament, I won't gloat. Just congratulate them on a fine season.

If they do win the title, I will leave this board all together and will go back to hoping Yahoo Sports continues to uncover 10.1 violations within the buckeye football program.

Its funny, I never really disliked OSU until this year. Reading this board all season has turned me.

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Big Gain

Posts: 2,073

Mar 9, 2011 12:16am

swamisez;704486 wrote:I won't continue to argue with buckeye fans about their purported weaknesses. It is an impossible proposition to suggest such an idea on this board. Will wait till March and when they bow out of the tournament, I won't gloat. Just congratulate them on a fine season.

If they do win the title, I will leave this board all together and will go back to hoping Yahoo Sports continues to uncover 10.1 violations within the buckeye football program.

Its funny, I never really disliked OSU until this year. Reading this board all season has turned me.

RACIST

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Big Gain

Posts: 2,073

Mar 9, 2011 12:19am

swamisez;703430 wrote:I think Craft is good, don't get me wrong. But the NCAA tournament is full of great scorers. If Kansas State were playing OSU in the sweet 16 do you really believe Jacob Pullen would be shut down by Aaron Craft? Kemba Walker? I would even venture that Malcolm Delaney would have a great night (granted VT would still lose by 20+).

Personally, I don't believe he can. I also believe when he gets out of the Big Ten players who are more active with the dribble will get him into foul trouble because of his lack in lateral quickness.

I have watched lots of Ohio State this year, but more importantly I have watched more than just Ohio State. There are innumerable guards that would make life for him hell. The caveat must be that a team must have bodies down low that can keep secondary defenders honest. Aaron Craft will not be able to limit good point guards ability to create shots for himself. He is not quick enough. I am confident this fact will come to light in the sweet sixteen or earlier.

I don't know the answer, but I do have a question who was the last national champion who played exclusively with a white point guard? (Jerry McNamara was a SG, and Jon Scheyer, well if you think he is a true PG well we can agree to disagree).

Racist

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Big Gain

Posts: 2,073

Mar 9, 2011 12:27am

SportsAndLady;703254 wrote:What the hell are you talking about lol fuckin weirdo

READ and comprehend lol "fuckin" 8th grader.

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Big Gain

Posts: 2,073

Mar 9, 2011 12:31am

swamisez;703430 wrote:
I don't know the answer, but I do have a question who was the last national champion who played exclusively with a white point guard? (Jerry McNamara was a SG, and Jon Scheyer, well if you think he is a true PG well we can agree to disagree).

Racist

reclegend22

Posts: 8,772

Mar 9, 2011 12:32am

Welcome to the party, swami. I've been on board for 10+ years and it only gets worse. At one time, I think I had less disdain for Carolina.. But I live in-state.

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sportswizuhrd

Posts: 3,215

Mar 9, 2011 4:30am

swamisez;704486 wrote: Its funny, I never really disliked OSU until this year. Reading this board all season has turned me.

Second time I have heard this today from someone on here(other was in private). The huddle and fans that are friends also lead me to turn, the OC only puts it further.

Skyhook79

Posts: 5,739

Mar 9, 2011 5:57am

sportswizuhrd;704633 wrote:Second time I have heard this today from someone on here(other was in private). The huddle and fans that are friends also lead me to turn, the OC only puts it further.

The other 50 million fans will miss you.

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sportswizuhrd

Posts: 3,215

Mar 9, 2011 6:14am

Skyhook79;704638 wrote:The other 50 million fans will miss you.

That turn was 10-12 years ago.

se-alum

Posts: 13,948

Mar 9, 2011 9:06am

swamisez;704486 wrote:I won't continue to argue with buckeye fans about their purported weaknesses. It is an impossible proposition to suggest such an idea on this board. Will wait till March and when they bow out of the tournament, I won't gloat. Just congratulate them on a fine season.

If they do win the title, I will leave this board all together and will go back to hoping Yahoo Sports continues to uncover 10.1 violations within the buckeye football program.

Its funny, I never really disliked OSU until this year. Reading this board all season has turned me.

So you're not gonna answer my question? Just going to run w/ your tail between your legs?

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Prescott

Posts: 2,569

Mar 9, 2011 9:37am

I won't continue to argue with buckeye fans about their purported weaknesses.

You wrote that Craft's lack of lateral quickness would hurt OSU. We are just asking why you think that is the case when Matta and other basketball experts claim that Craft has exceptional lateral quickness. It isn't an argument , it is a debate and you need to back up your belief with something other than "I think".