Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 24, 2011 10:53am
It's a good move for the Cavaliers but with the looming lockout and draft class coming out, I would NOT expect this year's draft class to be that strong. Relatively speaking, it really isn't projected to be that strong anyway. The 2012 NBA Draft is going to be big time though, especially if some of the quality prospects stay in school another year (like some expect).
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 24, 2011 10:55am
With that said, this is a great deal for Cleveland. I suspect it was made by the Clippers because they really have the need to add yet another first rounder and figured it was expendable. Or, they are making a prediction on the lockout.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Feb 24, 2011 11:07am
Fly4Fun;689821 wrote:Who cares if the Clippers really hate the draft? It's not as if they have been good historically at evaluating talent. There is a reason they are one of the worst franchises in professional sports.
You don't need to be a great evaluator of talent to see how weak this draft class is.
That said, this is a good move simply because the Cavs couldn't get any worse, so anybody they could dump to facilitate the starting over process is a plus.
I fucking hate Baron Davis though. Hoping for Kyrie Irving in the draft now. Do not want Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight, and we're gonna need a PG.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 24, 2011 11:11am
Baron is going to play extra hard next year to get out of Cleveland, then the Cavs can have another steal of a trade.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 24, 2011 11:18am
Question, I haven't really been paying attention to BD, but is he hurt right now?
Enforcer
Posts: 2,140
Feb 24, 2011 11:37am
He didnt play in last nights game, ESPN said it was a knee ,But they coulda held him out due to the trade
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 24, 2011 11:39am
Alright..I got tix to tomorrow's game so I was wondering if I'll get to see him play or not.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Feb 24, 2011 11:48am
Hb31187;689912 wrote:Of all the years to potentially have 2 top 10 picks....this year has to be one of the worst in recent memory lol
People were saying the same thing about the 09 draft and there ended up being some pretty solid players in that draft.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 24, 2011 11:49am
Anyone going to the game tomorrow? I'll be there in most likely a suit because I'm doing some professional work before the game with the Cavs; hopefully I'll get to change before the game but we'll see. If anyones going let me know
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Feb 24, 2011 11:53am
Since the FO has repeatedly said that they are planning on rebuilding through the draft you have to love them getting another lottery pick this year. Even if it's supposed to be a weaker draft there will still be a few good players in there. It just means they won't have a wide margin of error.
Baron will probably be a cesspool of suck and I just hope he doesn't hamper Ramon's development. Or Manny Harris's for that matter.
Baron will probably be a cesspool of suck and I just hope he doesn't hamper Ramon's development. Or Manny Harris's for that matter.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Feb 24, 2011 11:55am
Exactly my thoughts. This trade was a no brainer for both teams and regardless of if it's a weak draft or not, the Cavs need draft picks.grodt;690003 wrote:Since the FO has repeatedly said that they are planning on rebuilding through the draft you have to love them getting another lottery pick this year. Even if it's supposed to be a weaker draft there will still be a few good players in there. It just means they won't have a wide margin of error.
Baron will probably be a cesspool of suck and I just hope he doesn't hamper Ramon's development. Or Manny Harris's for that matter.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Feb 24, 2011 11:57am
sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
If Cleveland trades for Baron Davis, it will be like Bizarro Big Loser: he will put on 10 lbs per week.
lolsportsguy33 Bill Simmons
Good trade for the Clips. Now they have enough 2012 cap room cleared for a marquee free agent who will never sign here.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Feb 24, 2011 12:20pm
SportsAndLady;689995 wrote:Anyone going to the game tomorrow? I'll be there in most likely a suit because I'm doing some professional work before the game with the Cavs; hopefully I'll get to change before the game but we'll see. If anyones going let me know
i was going to go, but im going march 6th now. get to watch my favorite team, and favorite player (chris paul)
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trep14
Posts: 842
Feb 24, 2011 12:29pm
Commander of Awesome;689915 wrote:I still think there's some good players coming out, saying its a bad draft I think is being lazy. Just takes the scouting department more effort to find a good player that fits the system.
I think the main reason people are saying that this year is a bad draft is that there is no surefire first overall talent like there has been in years past with Wall, Griffin, and Rose. I still think there is plenty of talent to be had in this draft.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Feb 24, 2011 12:38pm
trep14;690060 wrote:I think the main reason people are saying that this year is a bad draft is that there is no surefire first overall talent like there has been in years past with Wall, Griffin, and Rose. I still think there is plenty of talent to be had in this draft.
agree there isnt "that guy"
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Feb 24, 2011 12:41pm
Saying a draft class is bad is being lazy? How does that work. Obviously classes are going to be rated as a whole yearly and they are not all equal. Does that mean there are not any good players? Of course not.
It's like saying that the Lakers have more overall talent than Oklahoma City. That doesn't mean Oklahoma City doesn't have any good players.
It's like saying that the Lakers have more overall talent than Oklahoma City. That doesn't mean Oklahoma City doesn't have any good players.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Feb 24, 2011 12:49pm
We dont know how good or bad this draft class is going to be just yet. There were plenty of people that were critical of the 09 draft class. I HIGHLY doubt that every player in this years class will be a bust.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Feb 24, 2011 12:59pm
Great move by the Cavs, boneheaded move by the Clippers. How hard do you think Grant laughed at them when they said "hey, we'll swap overpriced, overrated PGs who are always hurt, you throw in Jamario Moon, and then we'll toss back our lottery pick"
I think it is now apparent why the Clippers are always bad. Who cares if the draft isn't as strong as it typically is? There are still good players, and who knows? You might get lucky
I think it is now apparent why the Clippers are always bad. Who cares if the draft isn't as strong as it typically is? There are still good players, and who knows? You might get lucky
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trep14
Posts: 842
Feb 24, 2011 1:09pm
jordo212000;690104 wrote:Great move by the Cavs, boneheaded move by the Clippers. How hard do you think Grant laughed at them when they said "hey, we'll swap overpriced, overrated PGs who are always hurt, you throw in Jamario Moon, and then we'll toss back our lottery pick"
I think it is now apparent why the Clippers are always bad. Who cares if the draft isn't as strong as it typically is? There are still good players, and who knows? You might get lucky
I would loved to have heard their conversation. Any time you can get a lottery pick for Jamario Moon, essentially, you do it.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 24, 2011 1:09pm
This draft has a few sure fire players IMO. Having two top ten picks is never a bad thing.
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Feb 24, 2011 1:15pm
I don't care too much for Mo Williams. The second LeBron announced he was leaving, Mo's nuts disappeared. You thought about retiring? Really? Come on man. He should of viewed that as an opportunity, cause we all know Mo was a shoot 1st guard.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 24, 2011 1:20pm
Trueblue23;690128 wrote:I don't care too much for Mo Williams. The second LeBron announced he was leaving, Mo's nuts disappeared. You thought about retiring? Really? Come on man. He should of viewed that as an opportunity, cause we all know Mo was a shoot 1st guard.
Sorry trueblue, but you're deadwrong here and really have no idea what you are talking about.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 24, 2011 1:21pm
It's said to be weak because compared to 2010 and what looms in 2012, it IS weak. Anymore, with one and dones, the draft classes tend to loosely coincide with the strength of the recruiting classes. The 2009 class (the 2010 NBA class) was strong, while the 2010 class (the 2011 NBA class) is weaker than 2009 and 2011 (the 2012 NBA class). Now, depending who goes and stays can change that a little, but I'd say if even a few guys stay back this year, 2012 sets up to be a dynamite draft.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Feb 24, 2011 1:23pm
Things do work out great for the Cavs. They get a lottery pick for Mo and Moon (two guys who wouldn't be in any future plans) AND obtaining fat, lazy Baron Davis will just help ensure they finish with the most balls in the lottery to potentially maximize their pick.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 24, 2011 1:23pm
Cavs will most likely have a lottery pick for 2012 as well, and maybe even 2 if they work out trades like this, or if lebron and wade tear their acls 
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