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Feb 21, 2011 11:24 PM
wildcats20;686788 wrote:According to Broussard...

Corey Brewer is going to the Knicks as well..

Nice.
Feb 21, 2011 11:24pm
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Feb 21, 2011 11:24 PM
Felton to the Nets? Sucks for him but at least he won't have to move.
Feb 21, 2011 11:24pm
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Feb 21, 2011 11:25 PM
ytownfootball;686785 wrote:Somebody better check on Spike Lee.

He's off in a corner somewhere with a towel and some lotion with this picture...
Feb 21, 2011 11:25pm
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Feb 21, 2011 11:26 PM
Brewer is a nice piece too.
Feb 21, 2011 11:26pm
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Feb 21, 2011 11:26 PM
Knicks have #15 retired I believe. What was his USA basketball number?
Feb 21, 2011 11:26pm
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Feb 21, 2011 11:27 PM
karen lotz;686797 wrote:Knicks have #15 retired I believe. What was his USA basketball number?

8..

# 15 - EARL MONROE - Number retired March 1, 1986
"The Pearl" ... Basketball's consummate showman brought his magic act to the Garden in stunning trade with Bullets, Nov 10, 1971 ... Played nine seasons with Knicks (1971-72 - 1979-80) after spending four in Baltimore ... Averaged 16.2 ppg as a Knick, including 20.9 ppg in 1974-75 and 20.7 ppg in 1975-76 ... Earned long-awaited NBA Championship ring with 15.5 ppg for '73 club, and led Knicks with 23 points in Game Five title clincher vs. Lakers ... Averaged 18.8 ppg for pro career and was four-time NBA All-Star (twice with Knicks) ... Sixth on all-time Knicks career list with 9,679 points ... Enshrined in Basketball Hall of Fame in 1990; Garden Walk of Fame in 1998 ... Named one of NBA's 50 Greatest Players of League's first half-century ... Currently president of Pretty Pearl Entertainment, also involved in construction and restaurant business and has worked as Knicks radio color analyst.

# 15 - DICK McGUIRE - Number retired March 14, 1992
"Tricky Dick" ... Big Apple product set standard for backcourt wizardry in early days of NBA ... Enjoyed eight standout seasons in Knick livery, earning five All-Star Game designations and leading Knicks to three straight appearances in NBA Finals (1951-52-53) ... Led Knicks in assists for seven straight seasons, and is still third on all-time club list with 2,950 assists ... Career 8.0 ppg scorer as a Knick ... Finished playing career with three years in Detroit ... Has helped shape Knicks destiny for over 40 years, as player, head coach, assistant coach, chief scout, and currently as director of scouting services ... Earned long-overdue Hall of Fame enshrinement in 1993.
Feb 21, 2011 11:27pm
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Feb 21, 2011 11:28 PM
Nice! And scored seats in a lux box for a game in mid-March!
Feb 21, 2011 11:28pm
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Feb 21, 2011 11:29 PM
shit i forgot i have tickets to this game in cleveland on friday haha sweet thats gonna be awesome
Feb 21, 2011 11:29pm
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Feb 21, 2011 11:31 PM
ytownfootball;686785 wrote:Somebody better check on Spike Lee.

He is going crazy right now
Feb 21, 2011 11:31pm
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Feb 21, 2011 11:41 PM
SportsAndLady;686780 wrote:Lol I hope he wouldn't break the news on Conan...

I know, but considering he knows it wont be aired till 11pm.
Feb 21, 2011 11:41pm
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Feb 22, 2011 12:22 AM
I understand Melo is a lot younger and in his prime right now as a player but when I look back at what the Celtics gave up to get KG ( Al Jefferson, Wally Szczerbiak, Sebastian Telfair, Ricky Davis, Ryan Gomes, Theo Ratliff and 2 Draft Picks) we got off light lol
Feb 22, 2011 12:22am
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Feb 22, 2011 12:40 AM
Laley23;686826 wrote:I know, but considering he knows it wont be aired till 11pm.

Oooooh okay I see what you mean now...I thought you meant he was trying to hold the news from getting out til he came on Conan to announce it haha
Feb 22, 2011 12:40am
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Feb 22, 2011 7:58 AM
wes_mantooth;686705 wrote:yeah, but they are holding teams at ransom. I just think it has been going downhill for a few years now. The business side of it is complete turn off.

what do you want them to do? Everybody complained when Lebron waited until the last minute to take his talents to South Beach. Melo was upfront
Feb 22, 2011 7:58am
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Feb 22, 2011 8:02 AM
I heard that the guy who the Knicks were mainly worried about giving up was Mozgov. Tells me everything I need to know about why this franchise has been bad for so long. If you can get Melo, you do it.
Feb 22, 2011 8:02am
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Feb 22, 2011 8:08 AM
wildcats20;686734 wrote:Since no one has posted the deal....lol

Denver gets:
Wilson Chandler
Raymond Felton
Danilo Gallinari
Timofey Mozgov
Knicks' 2014 first-round draft pick
Warriors' 2012 second-round pick
Warriors' 2013 second-round pick
$3 million in cash

New York gets:
Melo
Chauncey Billups
Shelden Williams
Anthony Carter
Renaldo Balkman

Wow thats a ransom for a guy who just fills out a stat sheet and is completely uninterested on the def end.
jordo212000;686909 wrote:I heard that the guy who the Knicks were mainly worried about giving up was Mozgov. Tells me everything I need to know about why this franchise has been bad for so long. If you can get Melo, you do it.

The knicks gave up their entire young core. What are they going to build with going forward now? Whose going to play center for them now? Amare cant/doesnt want to play Center full time.
Feb 22, 2011 8:08am
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Feb 22, 2011 8:50 AM
At least its over.........until next year when this shit starts all over with CP3, Williams and Howard
Feb 22, 2011 8:50am
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Feb 22, 2011 8:54 AM
Thought Greenberg had a good question on Mike and Mike.

Why doesnt this stuff happen in the NFL? Peyton Manning is arguably the greatest QB in the history of the NFL. There was never talk that he had to go to NY to take his status to the next level. You never hear about Tom Brady and Larry Fitz talking in the offseason about teaming up or guys demanding a trade to a certain team/ city because its a "better" place to live
Feb 22, 2011 8:54am
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Feb 22, 2011 9:00 AM
Commander of Awesome;686911 wrote:The knicks gave up their entire young core. .

You're wrong.


In order to get Carmelo after the season, the Knicks would have to release Chandler anyways. That would have left Landry Fields, 'Melo, and Gallinari to play 1 or 2 positions. The Knicks decided Fields was more valuable. And Mozgov? I'm sure the Knicks can find a replacement, considering the dude wasn't even on the team last year.

So basically the trade now becomes 'Melo and Billups for Felton, Gallinari, Mozgov (who IMO is very replaceable maybe not at this time, but definitely moving forward) and draft picks (only 1 of which is a 1st). Considering the Knicks are heavy favorites to get Chris Paul, I don't see a problem in a Billups/Felton exchange for 1.5 seasons.


Don't see where the Knicks gave up their entire young core, especially when they couldn't have all been on the team next year anyways. Great trade for NY.

COA, I will concede your point they need to find a center before they can win anything, but I strongly disagree about what they gave up.
Feb 22, 2011 9:00am
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Feb 22, 2011 9:05 AM
KR1245;686940 wrote:Thought Greenberg had a good question on Mike and Mike.

Why doesnt this stuff happen in the NFL? Peyton Manning is arguably the greatest QB in the history of the NFL. There was never talk that he had to go to NY to take his status to the next level. You never hear about Tom Brady and Larry Fitz talking in the offseason about teaming up or guys demanding a trade to a certain team/ city because its a "better" place to live

Franchise tags. And blockbuster trades don't really happen in the NFL. The NFL is designed to keep players on their teams.
Feb 22, 2011 9:05am
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Feb 22, 2011 9:10 AM
I remember some on here saying getting Amar'e was a bad move because of his defense, etc. How's it turning out so far? Not bad overall. And I also remember people saying that the Heat would be the big 3 and a bunch of scrubs so that wouldn't work out. They seem to be during okay down in South Beach.

I'm not worried about the rest of this season....this is a big move for the future as NY will be an extremely attractive destination for big time free agents. CP3, Dwight, Deron......I'll take any one of them. The future is looking bright....finally.
Feb 22, 2011 9:10am
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Feb 22, 2011 9:12 AM
lhslep134;686946 wrote:You're wrong.


In order to get Carmelo after the season, the Knicks would have to release Chandler anyways. That would have left Landry Fields, 'Melo, and Gallinari to play 1 or 2 positions. The Knicks decided Fields was more valuable. And Mozgov? I'm sure the Knicks can find a replacement, considering the dude wasn't even on the team last year.

So basically the trade now becomes 'Melo and Billups for Felton, Gallinari, Mozgov (who IMO is very replaceable maybe not at this time, but definitely moving forward) and draft picks (only 1 of which is a 1st). Considering the Knicks are heavy favorites to get Chris Paul, I don't see a problem in a Billups/Felton exchange for 1.5 seasons.


Don't see where the Knicks gave up their entire young core, especially when they couldn't have all been on the team next year anyways. Great trade for NY.

COA, I will concede your point they need to find a center before they can win anything, but I strongly disagree about what they gave up.

Good post.
Feb 22, 2011 9:12am
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Feb 22, 2011 9:23 AM
This was a no brainer for the Knicks. The piece that everyone is downplaying is Billups, who can really help this team this year because he plays some defense and is experienced. I love that they were able to keep Landry Fields, because I thought he was their biggest asset other than Amare and Felton.

The Knicks have a starting 5 of:
Billups
Fields
Carmelo
Amare
Turiaf

Now that's not good enough to win a championship, but it's better than what they had as of yesterday.

Then you have solid guys off the bench in Balkman and Brewer and Williams to go foul a big.

And the Knicks didn't have to give up a ton of draft picks.
Feb 22, 2011 9:23am
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Feb 22, 2011 9:29 AM
lhslep134;686946 wrote:COA, I will concede your point they need to find a center before they can win anything, but I strongly disagree about what they gave up.

What is the fascination with centers in the NBA today? The Knicks want to play up and down, so they can make teams adjust to them. Put Amare at center and make a guy like Kenrick Perkins guard him.

I agree that eventually the Knicks will need more size, but let's look at the competition in the east right now:
Miami - no center
Boston - Kendrick Perkins. He isn't going to beat anyone.
Chicago - Noah - Not a big concern
Orlando - obviously causes problems to more teams than just the Knicks
Atlanta - Horford

There really is not cause for concern, at this time.
Feb 22, 2011 9:29am
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Feb 22, 2011 9:42 AM
thedynasty1998;686976 wrote:What is the fascination with centers in the NBA today? The Knicks want to play up and down, so they can make teams adjust to them. Put Amare at center and make a guy like Kenrick Perkins guard him.

I agree that eventually the Knicks will need more size, but let's look at the competition in the east right now:
Miami - no center
Boston - Kendrick Perkins. He isn't going to beat anyone.
Chicago - Noah - Not a big concern
Orlando - obviously causes problems to more teams than just the Knicks
Atlanta - Horford

There really is not cause for concern, at this time.

That's all dependent on the knicks getting a team into their style of play though. If the celts got the game slower, Perkins would eat Amare alive.

I see what you're saying though and don't think they have to freak out and go looking for a center. This league has very few dominate big men anyway.
Feb 22, 2011 9:42am
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Feb 22, 2011 9:55 AM
Midstate01;686982 wrote:That's all dependent on the knicks getting a team into their style of play though. If the celts got the game slower, Perkins would eat Amare alive.

I see what you're saying though and don't think they have to freak out and go looking for a center. This league has very few dominate big men anyway.

First off, Boston is still probably better than the Knicks. However, the Knicks will be a tough out.

Secondly, Perkins will not eat Amare alive. A great game for Perkins is 10 points and 15 rebounds, which could be possible. But that's hardly the type of performance that is going to beat a team. Plus, Perkins would be matched with Turiaf or Williams and Amare would be up against Garnett.
Feb 22, 2011 9:55am