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Feb 18, 2011 7:13 PM
gport_tennis;683379 wrote:Didn't Miami trade all their picks for bosh and lebron in the sign and trades

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Yes I think they gave up a couple first rounders in both trades and maybe more.

Draft picks don't matter when you have a couple stars. You need vets who can be role players, it's pretty hard to develop you guys when you are trying to win a title. The Lakers and Celtics are prime examples.
Feb 18, 2011 7:13pm
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Feb 18, 2011 8:10 PM
It isn't tampering because the Nuggets have given their blessing. They can benefit by the trade, why would they make a stink?
Feb 18, 2011 8:10pm
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Feb 18, 2011 10:42 PM
Denver is making out either way. That's a lot to get back for a guy EVERYBODY knows doesn't want to be there anymore. Only reason he hasn't put more pressure is because of a new CBA. Otherwise, he'd wait it out, get a S&T to NY, and NY would get to keep a player or two that would have been needed to make the deal work at the trade deadline.
Feb 18, 2011 10:42pm
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Feb 19, 2011 9:39 AM
I'd be curious to see what Billups does after the trade. Everything I have read has said that he wouldn't go and he would demand a buyout. Interesting to see if he really does that or not

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Feb 19, 2011 9:39am
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Feb 19, 2011 12:13 PM
Knicks have reportedly upped their offer to the Nuggets as well.
Feb 19, 2011 12:13pm
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Feb 19, 2011 12:36 PM
I love how New York has been "take my eyes but not my Landry Fields and Danilo Gallinari" all along. Are they really that stupid? Both guys are solid players but c'mon, you are never going to win anything with either of those guys as key pieces. They are complementary pieces.

Trading all the pieces the Nuggets want will certainly crush the Knicks for the remainder of the season, but they will be fine in the long run. A team with a core of Amare and 'Melo would be extremely dangerous for the foreseeable future.

It hurts to lose Felton, but Paul will be a free agent soon and all indications are that he wants to take his talents to New York.

Do the trade, lock Melo up, and become a dangerous franchise.

Or... keep Gallinari and Landry Fields, watch the Nets trade for Melo and lose New York City eyeballs to the Nets.
Feb 19, 2011 12:36pm
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Feb 19, 2011 5:34 PM
Knicks said yesterday that the Nuggets could pick Galinari or Fields. They aren't keeping both.
Feb 19, 2011 5:34pm
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Feb 19, 2011 7:59 PM
From Hoopshype......take it for what its worth

Anthony Draws the Line With Nets
By JONATHAN ABRAMS
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LOS ANGELES — Carmelo Anthony is informing those close to him that he will not sign a contract extension if he is traded to the Nets, according to a person aware of Anthony’s preference.
Feb 19, 2011 7:59pm
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Feb 19, 2011 8:02 PM
I'm getting annoyed with this shit. First it was the summer of FA. Now its Melo. Next it will be Paul followed by Howard

I really dont know how people can think this stuff is good for the league. There are about 25 owners that are not going to be very happy at the next CBA meetings
Feb 19, 2011 8:02pm
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Feb 20, 2011 12:56 AM
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I really dont know how people can think this stuff is good for the league. There are about 25 owners that are not going to be very happy at the next CBA meetings

Check the ratings. The NBA is way up this year.

As for the unhappy owners, what can they do? The only way they can prevent this stuff would be some sort of league exec who approves/denies player movement. The NBA can't do that. The best they can do is a cap.

I can't wait until all these super teams form. It is going to be fun to watch. I never watched the Bucks, Grizz, znd Raptors before (I don't think many others did either) so it is no skin off my back. Bring on the super teams
Feb 20, 2011 12:56am
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Feb 20, 2011 1:05 AM
jordo212000;684319 wrote: As for the unhappy owners, what can they do?

Lock out and get all of the power back, which is exactly what the league is heading toward.
Feb 20, 2011 1:05am
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Feb 20, 2011 9:13 AM
Mulva;684325 wrote:Lock out and get all of the power back, which is exactly what the league is heading toward.

Bingo!
Feb 20, 2011 9:13am
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Feb 20, 2011 9:14 AM
Mulva;684325 wrote:Lock out and get all of the power back, which is exactly what the league is heading toward.
Power to do what? Put in a hard salary cap? That might happen, but I bet there are as many owners who prefer the current model rather than a hard cap. How can you restrict where players go? Give their current teams extra benefits in signing players? That's already in place.

As much as some might not like the "Super Teams", it is great for others. It will increase revenue for the league as a whole, and that is what makes owners happy. Look at the NBA playoffs over the last 20 years, and you will see that the NBA has always had the top tier teams and everyone else just hoping to make the playoffs.
Feb 20, 2011 9:14am
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Feb 20, 2011 9:16 AM
jordo212000;684319 wrote:Check the ratings. The NBA is way up this year.

As for the unhappy owners, what can they do? The only way they can prevent this stuff would be some sort of league exec who approves/denies player movement. The NBA can't do that. The best they can do is a cap.

I can't wait until all these super teams form. It is going to be fun to watch. I never watched the Bucks, Grizz, znd Raptors before (I don't think many others did either) so it is no skin off my back. Bring on the super teams
Lets see where they are at after another lockout
Feb 20, 2011 9:16am
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Feb 20, 2011 9:22 AM
I have no problem at all with people going where they want to in free agency.

But when players start talking with execs years in advance & conspiring (Yeah, I'm talking about the Heat.. And I know somebody will tell me there's no proof.. and to you I say: Stop being so damn naive) to get 2 of the biggest names in the NBA (and Chris Bosh) onto a certain team, there's a problem.

And when we have players causing a circus like this in their free agent year. Meeting with other teams, saying he'll only sign with the Knicks, etc, there's a problem.

Yes, Denver gave him permission to meet with them. But what are they going to say? "Oh, nah, he probably won't re-sign with us, just have him meet with them in the off-season, when we have a slimmer chance to get something back for him"? Of course if you give Denver the option of giving him permission, they're going to take it in order to get a lil more value in return!

This is absolutely ridiculous & the NBA is turning into a fuckin circus
Feb 20, 2011 9:22am
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Feb 20, 2011 9:24 AM
Since 1980:
Boston Celtics - 4 Championships, 2 Runner Ups
LA Lakers - 10 Championships, 6 Runner Ups
Chicago Bulls - 6 Championships

So, over the last 31 years, the Lakers have been in over half the NBA Finals and the Celtics and Bulls in 6 each.

So, out of 62 possible teams, those three have accounted for 28 of the appearances. That's hardly the parity that many people want to believe exists in the NBA.
Feb 20, 2011 9:24am
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Feb 20, 2011 9:31 AM
KR1245;684398 wrote:I have no problem at all with people going where they want to in free agency.

But when players start talking with execs years in advance & conspiring (Yeah, I'm talking about the Heat.. And I know somebody will tell me there's no proof.. and to you I say: Stop being so damn naive) to get 2 of the biggest names in the NBA (and Chris Bosh) onto a certain team, there's a problem.

And when we have players causing a circus like this in their free agent year. Meeting with other teams, saying he'll only sign with the Knicks, etc, there's a problem.

Yes, Denver gave him permission to meet with them. But what are they going to say? "Oh, nah, he probably won't re-sign with us, just have him meet with them in the off-season, when we have a slimmer chance to get something back for him"? Of course if you give Denver the option of giving him permission, they're going to take it in order to get a lil more value in return!

This is absolutely ridiculous & the NBA is turning into a fuckin circus

But that's how things work today. These guys play with each other all summer. You look at the elite AAU teams and they have guys from over a 100 mile radius. Because of AAU, these guys are getting to be good friends at a really young age and are not the "enemies" that many want to believe them to be. Hell, last night Wade was sitting next to Garnett during the dunk contest.

Whether execs were involved or not, no one knows. Dan Gilbert is wasting his money trying to find out, but I doubt anything arises. With that said, you can't stop players from recruiting each other. The same thing happens at the college level, so why wouldn't it happen at the highest level? Is it any different from the guys at Facebook recruiting guys from Google? Not really.

If a day comes where a guy like Carmelo says, "Trade me to the Knicks or I won't play", then we have a problem. But him telling the Nuggets that he doesn't plan on resigning and that he only wants to play in New York really isn't a problem to me. Is it talked about too much? Absolutely. But the Nuggets are choosing to talk to the Knicks through their own free will.

Denver has an asset right now, and they want to get something for it. It's their choice to do that rather than being left empty handed. It's a business decision. These teams always have to be planning for the future (something the Cavs failed to do). You think because Apple is doing so well with the iPhone that they are not doing R&D for the next big thing?
Feb 20, 2011 9:31am
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Feb 20, 2011 9:38 AM
Who the fuck mentioned the Cavs? You just try to take jabs at them as often as you can....give it a rest

Why even bother with a NBA draft? If these guys are just going to pick and choose where they want to go anyays. Whats the point?

We will have to agree to disagree with this. Obviously the owners think something is wrong with the direction that the league is headed or else we wouldnt be looking at a lockout.
Feb 20, 2011 9:38am
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Feb 20, 2011 9:49 AM
The Cavs were in the same situation last year, yet didn't have that open relationship with him like the Nuggets have with Carmelo. Obviously they couldn't and wouldn't have traded him, but it is very similar. And people forget that Lebron, Wade, Bosh and Carmelo have all signed extensions at one point. It's not like their rookie deal ended and they bolted.

And this is an Ohio thread, so the Cavs are always relevant. Sorry if that bothers you.

Regarding the draft, see my point about them signing extensions. It happens much more in the NFL where guys refuse to sign a rookie deal, or tell teams they won't sign with them.

If there is a lockout, it's because of the absurdity of the contracts, not about players being able to explore free agency. We can agree to disagree on whether or not it's good for certain NBA FANS. However, it's really not debatable whether it's good for the NBA.

The NBA is heading towards a league office exec's dream. The top tier teams will be in Boston, New York, Chicago, Miami & Orlando, Dallas & San Antonio and LA. You have each coast covered and all the major media markets. You really think the NBA cares if people are watching Charlotte and Utah at the national level?
Feb 20, 2011 9:49am
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Feb 20, 2011 10:08 AM
Cavs were not relevant to the conversation. C'mon man

Free agency def has something to do with a possible lockout. Owners wouldnt be pushing for a franchise tag if they were happy with the way things were going. It sounds like that is one of the biggest differences between the sides at this point. It is very important to the new CBA

I dont think its good for the NBA. I guess that makes it debatable. I'm sure there are plenty of people that agree with your side of the argument just as there are people that agree with mine.
Feb 20, 2011 10:08am
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Feb 20, 2011 12:54 PM
KR1245;684404 wrote:Who the fuck mentioned the Cavs? You just try to take jabs at them as often as you can....give it a rest


He is a passive agressive troll what else did you expect? He started this trend of passive aggressive trolling and now it is spreading to other posters (i.e. Jordo).
Feb 20, 2011 12:54pm
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Feb 20, 2011 12:59 PM
KR1245;684414 wrote:Cavs were not relevant to the conversation. C'mon man

Free agency def has something to do with a possible lockout. Owners wouldnt be pushing for a franchise tag if they were happy with the way things were going. It sounds like that is one of the biggest differences between the sides at this point. It is very important to the new CBA

I dont think its good for the NBA. I guess that makes it debatable. I'm sure there are plenty of people that agree with your side of the argument just as there are people that agree with mine.

I completely agree with your last point. As for fans, I'm sure they are split. If you are a fan of Cleveland, or Detroit, or Utah and some of those smaller market teams, you don't want to see these elite teams.
Feb 20, 2011 12:59pm
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Feb 20, 2011 3:48 PM
KR1245;684414 wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of people that agree with your side of the trolling.

Yeah,
Capone, Jordo, SQ...see the list here? Some of the biggest idiots/trolls on the board.
Feb 20, 2011 3:48pm
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Feb 20, 2011 5:39 PM
KR1245;684404 wrote: We will have to agree to disagree with this. Obviously the owners think something is wrong with the direction that the league is headed or else we wouldnt be looking at a lockout.

So by that logic, the NFL has something wrong with it and owners don't like the direction the league is going? Hmm, haha the NFL is rolling in the cash and it appears that they will very well lock out as well.

The only probably owners have is that they want more of a slice of the pie. That's their issue.
Feb 20, 2011 5:39pm
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Feb 20, 2011 5:41 PM
thedynasty1998;684505 wrote:I completely agree with your last point. As for fans, I'm sure they are split. If you are a fan of Cleveland, or Detroit, or Utah and some of those smaller market teams, you don't want to see these elite teams.

There are too many teams in the league. They really need to get rid of two teams, it would be ideal if they chopped down the league by 4 teams IMO.

The NBA stupidly overexpanded into middling markets where NBA interest is sparse. Seriously, what was everybody thinking when they put an expansion team in Vancouver and then turned around compounded the mistake by putting it in Memphis.
Feb 20, 2011 5:41pm