O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Mar 16, 2011 8:29pm
SOMEONE ON FACEBOOK FIGURED OUT HOW TO PAY ALL THE TEACHERS THEIR CONTINUED RAISES!! Woohoo!!!!
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Mar 17, 2011 3:00pm
y not print more money!
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Mar 17, 2011 3:02pm
If that kid runs for government office, I guarantee people vote for him ...Manhattan Buckeye;715380 wrote:y not print more money!
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Mar 17, 2011 8:45pm
O-Trap;715387 wrote:If that kid runs for government office, I guarantee people vote for him ...
I would, sounds like he has the answers.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Mar 17, 2011 10:54pm
Well, hell! Wasn't that tried recently? Just printing more money?dwccrew;715801 wrote:I would, sounds like he has the answers.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Mar 18, 2011 1:06am
O-Trap;716016 wrote:Well, hell! Wasn't that tried recently? Just printing more money?
They should probably print some more and give most of it to me. I'll stimulate the economy myself.
tsst_fballfan
Posts: 406
Mar 18, 2011 8:26am
Hell they should just print off a million for every American so none of us have to work anymore! lmao
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Bigdogg
Posts: 1,429
Mar 18, 2011 12:53pm
Wisconsin Judge issues TRO to prevent illegal collective bargaining law! Looks like back to the drawing board for Walker.
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=14277615Dane Co. Judge Maryann Sumi said during a court hearing Friday she will issue a temporary restraining order to stop the Governor Walker's controversial budget repair bill from becoming law.
Judge Sumi's action prevents Secretary of State Doug LaFollette from publishing the bill and allowing it to take the force of law.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 18, 2011 1:14pm
Bigdogg;716534 wrote:Looks like back to the drawing board for Walker.
Hardly. You do know what the T in TRO stands for, correct? Just another delay.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 18, 2011 3:53pm
Exactly. All this means is that they will do the 24-hr. notice and then take another vote on the bill, which will probably pass by the identical margin as before. The only thing the TRO does is identify that the law was broken. That fact will be hard to explain or defend come re-election (or recall) time.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Mar 18, 2011 3:57pm
How can the law be broken when the legislation process creates a new law that over-rides/displaces it?
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Mar 18, 2011 3:58pm
Was the vote not appropriately made "open" or announced? I didn't follow that part too closely.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 18, 2011 4:02pm
CenterBHSFan;716795 wrote:How can the law be broken when the legislation process creates a new law that over-rides/displaces it?
The law in question is the "Open hearing" or "Sunshine" law, which required 24 hour notice and debate. Neither of those were done prior to the vote.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 18, 2011 4:06pm
stlouiedipalma;716789 wrote:That fact will be hard to explain or defend come re-election (or recall) time.
I think that running and hiding out of state when a vote isn't going to go your way will be much harder to defend at election time, at least it would be for me.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 18, 2011 4:22pm
queencitybuckeye;716805 wrote:I think that running and hiding out of state when a vote isn't going to go your way will be much harder to defend at election time, at least it would be for me.
I see your point, but the 14 didn't break the law, did they?
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Mar 18, 2011 4:25pm
No, they didn't. However, they did exhibit a perceived invincibility from being removed from office for failure to show up for work.stlouiedipalma;716824 wrote:I see your point, but the 14 didn't break the law, did they?
They're certainly not "more guilty" of anything, but they're far from in the clear, either.
It would seem that almost none of them deserves his/her job back come next election.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 18, 2011 4:25pm
stlouiedipalma;716824 wrote:I see your point, but the 14 didn't break the law, did they?
Until/unless someone is convicted (and no one will be), no one has broken the law in the current matter.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Mar 18, 2011 4:27pm
That's not true. It means nobody's been found guilty in a court of law yet.queencitybuckeye;716833 wrote:Until/unless someone is convicted (and no one will be), no one has broken the law in the current matter.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 18, 2011 4:29pm
O-Trap;716837 wrote:That's not true. It means nobody's been found guilty in a court of law yet.
I'm not sure how one would define breaking the law without there being a conviction of some sort. Who says someone broke the law?
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Mar 18, 2011 4:36pm
I suppose I'm looking at it this way: Law broken = crime committed.queencitybuckeye;716844 wrote:I'm not sure how one would define breaking the law without there being a conviction of some sort. Who says someone broke the law?
Now, if convicted of a crime in court, it is not said that the crime was committed at the verdict of the trial.
If the law has been broken, it has already been broken. Whether or not that is the case is yet to be determined, though.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 18, 2011 11:16pm
Well, the court hasn't yet determined whether the Republicans in Wisconsin actually broke the law. The TRO delays enactment of the bill until the court can rule on whether the Republicans violated (read broke) the law. If that happens then, yes, you could say the Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate broke the law.
Like I said earlier, it won't mean a hill of beans, as the Republicans will simply give notice, allow token debate and pass it again.
Like I said earlier, it won't mean a hill of beans, as the Republicans will simply give notice, allow token debate and pass it again.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 19, 2011 8:23am
stlouiedipalma;717202 wrote:Well, the court hasn't yet determined whether the Republicans in Wisconsin actually broke the law. The TRO delays enactment of the bill until the court can rule on whether the Republicans violated (read broke) the law. If that happens then, yes, you could say the Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate broke the law.
Like I said earlier, it won't mean a hill of beans, as the Republicans will simply give notice, allow token debate and pass it again.
The Republicans will allow all of the debate the other side wants if they could be bothered to show up.
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fan_from_texas
Posts: 2,693
Mar 19, 2011 11:01am
stlouiedipalma;716800 wrote:The law in question is the "Open hearing" or "Sunshine" law, which required 24 hour notice and debate. Neither of those were done prior to the vote.
Tough to say--there are exceptions, and a very good argument can be made that this procedure met those exceptions. Regardless, this isn't a big deal in the long run, as the Rs will simply re-notice and pass this again if it comes to it.
imex99
Posts: 4,927
Mar 20, 2011 8:12pm
Legislator pay not part of state budget cutbacks: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ohio-news/legislator-pay-not-part-of-state-budget-cutbacks-1112836.html
Force SB5 legislation down our throat and cant even discuss cuts of your own...
Force SB5 legislation down our throat and cant even discuss cuts of your own...
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Mar 21, 2011 1:06am
imex99;719061 wrote:Legislator pay not part of state budget cutbacks: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ohio-news/legislator-pay-not-part-of-state-budget-cutbacks-1112836.html
Force SB5 legislation down our throat and cant even discuss cuts of your own...
wrong thread