Al Bundy;735206 wrote:This could be done in small districts, but how would the logistics play out in large districts where you have thousands of teachers negotiating contracts every year?

ernest_t_bass;734972 wrote:I've said it before. I'd like to do away with the BIG union, and just have a local union group where we bargain for OURSELVES, and don't pay for lobbying.

I Wear Pants;735212 wrote:This is actually a decent idea.

ernest_t_bass;735366 wrote:We may still see high fees, but I'd like those high fees to stay local. To have in the bank in case we need legal representation, etc. I think it would hold us more accountable to our own school, and our own school more accountable to us.

Writerbuckeye;735364 wrote:Which is why big labor would fight it tooth and nail, and find a way to stop it -- even if it had to use the threat of force to do so. Such individualized groups with no fees going to the big bosses would be a threat to their very existence.

dwccrew;734976 wrote:No, it's not what happens now. What happens now is politicians and government leaders, that receive campaign money from unions, negotiate contracts with public sector employee unions. If the market dictated how public employees were paid, they would see significant pay and pension reductions along with the private sector. This hasn't happened because the market doesn't dictate the value of a public sector employee, a union contract does. So even if an employee is shitty and does the bare minimum, they will still be rewarded through step pay increases whereas if the market dictated the pay and compensation, an employee would have to perform better than others to receive pay increase and improved compensation packages.

It is how the market determines it in the private sector (non-union) and that is how it would work in the public sector with SB5.

Bigdogg;736112 wrote:Your logic is flawed. Don't business also lobby and support politicians? All of the study's I have seen (and posted on here) find that public sector employees are paid less then there private sector counters when you control for education and experience. I would be happy to look at any study you can find that concludes otherwise.

Bigdogg;736112 wrote:Your logic is flawed. Don't business also lobby and support politicians? All of the study's I have seen (and posted on here) find that public sector employees are paid less then there private sector counters when you control for education and experience. I would be happy to look at any study you can find that concludes otherwise.

CenterBHSFan;734851 wrote:GREAT question, Fishy! I'd like to hear the responses to that myself!

georgemc80;737967 wrote:First, I haven't read all 90 pages, just about 10 or so. Second, I have worked in the private sector and also taught in Ohio prior to moving to teach in Texas.

I resented being forced to join a union when I was in Ohio. I received little to no benefit by union membership. Texas doesn't have collective bargaining. I did join the TCTA (professional organization for the discounts I receive mostly). We still work on a pay scale, decided by the board. We don't ever have the threat of a strike(teacher strikes should be illegal anyways). Through these tough times, we are losing teaching positions, and pay steps have been suspended. I make a fair wage for what I do, and I have job security. Those afraid of personal vendettas need to be nicer to their administrators.

Point being, collective bargaining has not been missed since I moved to Texas. If anything, my quality of life has improved. I am teaching the class I have always wanted to teach. I got this position based on my personal abilities over a teacher with much more seniority. While in Ohio I was trapped in a Sped class, while other History teachers from outside the district were hired to teach subjects, I wanted to teach. (simply because the administrator had friends that needed jobs) Union has done nothing for my career.

While in Ohio, I almost gave up on teaching, due to the politics. In Texas, I can't imagine a better career. I owe that to the lack of collective bargaining.

georgemc80;737967 wrote:First, I haven't read all 90 pages, just about 10 or so. Second, I have worked in the private sector and also taught in Ohio prior to moving to teach in Texas.

I resented being forced to join a union when I was in Ohio. I received little to no benefit by union membership. Texas doesn't have collective bargaining. I did join the TCTA (professional organization for the discounts I receive mostly). We still work on a pay scale, decided by the board. We don't ever have the threat of a strike(teacher strikes should be illegal anyways). Through these tough times, we are losing teaching positions, and pay steps have been suspended. I make a fair wage for what I do, and I have job security. Those afraid of personal vendettas need to be nicer to their administrators.

Point being, collective bargaining has not been missed since I moved to Texas. If anything, my quality of life has improved. I am teaching the class I have always wanted to teach. I got this position based on my personal abilities over a teacher with much more seniority. While in Ohio I was trapped in a Sped class, while other History teachers from outside the district were hired to teach subjects, I wanted to teach. (simply because the administrator had friends that needed jobs) Union has done nothing for my career.

While in Ohio, I almost gave up on teaching, due to the politics. In Texas, I can't imagine a better career. I owe that to the lack of collective bargaining.

Writerbuckeye;738019 wrote:George: you sound exactly like the kind of teacher I want in the classroom. Congrats on getting to that sweet spot in your career.

dwccrew;737971 wrote:/thread.

Someone that has experienced the teaching career with and without collective bargaining puts things into perspective. Now let's hear what all the doomsday and fear mongerers have to counter with.

georgemc80;737967 wrote:First, I haven't read all 90 pages, just about 10 or so. Second, I have worked in the private sector and also taught in Ohio prior to moving to teach in Texas.

I resented being forced to join a union when I was in Ohio. I received little to no benefit by union membership. Texas doesn't have collective bargaining. I did join the TCTA (professional organization for the discounts I receive mostly). We still work on a pay scale, decided by the board. We don't ever have the threat of a strike(teacher strikes should be illegal anyways). Through these tough times, we are losing teaching positions, and pay steps have been suspended. I make a fair wage for what I do, and I have job security. Those afraid of personal vendettas need to be nicer to their administrators.

Point being, collective bargaining has not been missed since I moved to Texas. If anything, my quality of life has improved. I am teaching the class I have always wanted to teach. I got this position based on my personal abilities over a teacher with much more seniority. While in Ohio I was trapped in a Sped class, while other History teachers from outside the district were hired to teach subjects, I wanted to teach. (simply because the administrator had friends that needed jobs) Union has done nothing for my career.

While in Ohio, I almost gave up on teaching, due to the politics. In Texas, I can't imagine a better career. I owe that to the lack of collective bargaining.

georgemc80;737967 wrote:First, I haven't read all 90 pages, just about 10 or so. Second, I have worked in the private sector and also taught in Ohio prior to moving to teach in Texas.

I resented being forced to join a union when I was in Ohio. I received little to no benefit by union membership. Texas doesn't have collective bargaining. I did join the TCTA (professional organization for the discounts I receive mostly). We still work on a pay scale, decided by the board. We don't ever have the threat of a strike(teacher strikes should be illegal anyways). Through these tough times, we are losing teaching positions, and pay steps have been suspended. I make a fair wage for what I do, and I have job security. Those afraid of personal vendettas need to be nicer to their administrators.

Point being, collective bargaining has not been missed since I moved to Texas. If anything, my quality of life has improved. I am teaching the class I have always wanted to teach. I got this position based on my personal abilities over a teacher with much more seniority. While in Ohio I was trapped in a Sped class, while other History teachers from outside the district were hired to teach subjects, I wanted to teach. (simply because the administrator had friends that needed jobs) Union has done nothing for my career.

While in Ohio, I almost gave up on teaching, due to the politics. In Texas, I can't imagine a better career. I owe that to the lack of collective bargaining.

georgemc80;737967 wrote:First, I haven't read all 90 pages, just about 10 or so. Second, I have worked in the private sector and also taught in Ohio prior to moving to teach in Texas.

I resented being forced to join a union when I was in Ohio. I received little to no benefit by union membership. Texas doesn't have collective bargaining. I did join the TCTA (professional organization for the discounts I receive mostly). We still work on a pay scale, decided by the board. We don't ever have the threat of a strike(teacher strikes should be illegal anyways). Through these tough times, we are losing teaching positions, and pay steps have been suspended. I make a fair wage for what I do, and I have job security. Those afraid of personal vendettas need to be nicer to their administrators.

Point being, collective bargaining has not been missed since I moved to Texas. If anything, my quality of life has improved. I am teaching the class I have always wanted to teach. I got this position based on my personal abilities over a teacher with much more seniority. While in Ohio I was trapped in a Sped class, while other History teachers from outside the district were hired to teach subjects, I wanted to teach. (simply because the administrator had friends that needed jobs) Union has done nothing for my career.

While in Ohio, I almost gave up on teaching, due to the politics. In Texas, I can't imagine a better career. I owe that to the lack of collective bargaining.

QuakerOats;738156 wrote:Yeah right ..... you're just a union buster in disguise.

CenterBHSFan;738298 wrote:Let's branch this topic out a little.

What are you thoughts on SCABS? (people who will do the job while the unions are on strike, don't be gross )