So the governor did this all by himself? Or did the people's elected representatives in the state legislature introduce the bill, debate the bill, and pass the bill before the governor signed it into law?Glory Days;761960 wrote:You mean like the governor of a state passing a law without any input from the cities it will effect?
No...just their boss thugs.Al Bundy;762045 wrote:If union members in an elected positions make a decision, they are the gestapo?
Al Bundy;762045 wrote:If elected government officials make a decision, they are representing those that elected them. If union members in an elected positions make a decision, they are the gestapo?
It is scary how similar that sounds to our state legislatures not making something as important as SB5 a ballot issue.Writerbuckeye;762099 wrote:An organization has no excuse for not allow ALL members to vote -- unless of course, they want to control how voting comes out.
Al Bundy;762122 wrote:It is scary how similar that sounds to our state legislatures not making something as important as SB5 a ballot issue.
Al Bundy;762122 wrote:It is scary how similar that sounds to our state legislatures not making something as important as SB5 a ballot issue.
Writerbuckeye;762128 wrote:Ridiculous. You could say that about just about every bill that's passed. The Founding Fathers didn't want direct Democracy for a reason. Take a look a California if you want to see what governing by ballot issue ends up doing to a state.
Al Bundy;762157 wrote:I know that. I was just pointing out your hypocracy in that you want representives to vote when it goes the way you want something to go, and you want ever member voting when something doesn't go the way that you want it to go.
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Writerbuckeye;762224 wrote:I'd take both of you more serious if you could learn how to COPY the spelling of hypocrisy.
Writerbuckeye;762099 wrote:Please explain to me why something that is this important shouldn't go to a vote of ALL members or, better yet, be entirely voluntary and not mandatory that people donate?
If the union is so damn dead certain they are on the side of the angels here, then why not give people their freedom to choose whether to fall in line with their pocketbooks.
You too will become one with the Borg......CenterBHSFan;762356 wrote:I would hope to believe that everybody knows that the higher ups in unions don't give a damn about your individuality.
What has happened to you?
Al Bundy;762045 wrote:If elected government officials make a decision, they are representing those that elected them. If union members in an elected positions make a decision, they are the gestapo?
queencitybuckeye;762407 wrote:Both have constitutions. One is following theirs, the other is ignoring it.
Yeah...the same people who put the Governor and his GA lackeys in office. :rolleyes:BRF;763551 wrote:So, I will help. QCB obviously meant that the governor and his lackies in the GA are shoving SB5 down the throats of the people of Ohio!
Writerbuckeye;762447 wrote:I'm curious what you mean, QCB.
queencitybuckeye;763856 wrote:Our constitution calls for a representative government, while the union constitutions I've seen clearly intend for them to be a democracy.
FatHobbit;764108 wrote:Student progress is how Kasich wants to measure teacher performance.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/05/10/kasich-outlines-his-view-on-how-to-judge-teachers.html?sid=101
I think some teachers are going to be at a huge disadvantage if that is how they do it.
Al Bundy;764131 wrote:The article doesn't say how the progress will be measured, so it is hard to know who will be at an advantage/disadvantage.
FatHobbit;764136 wrote:I think that is the main question that teachers have. How exactly will it be measured?
WebFire;764156 wrote:It's only a portion. I would expect a portion to be based on student performance. And isn't it over a 3 year period or something? That way you aren't measuring just one group of students.