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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Feb 9, 2011 1:02pm
It is difficult to understand why the best PG in the Big 10 was left off of the finalists list for the Bob Cousy award.
Andy Katz doesn't get it either.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6102620/cousy-award-snubs-taylor-holloway
Andy Katz doesn't get it either.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6102620/cousy-award-snubs-taylor-holloway
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Feb 9, 2011 1:05pm
I agree. Win or not he is for certain a top 10 PG.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 9, 2011 1:16pm
He's really really good. CANNOT wait for the Taylor/Craft battle.
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burt07
Posts: 600
Feb 9, 2011 1:45pm
McCamey has been extremely overrated his whole time at Illinois. People have raved about him but what has he done? Missed two tournaments and one first round bounce. He's actually gotten worse from last year but he still gets the pub. I don't really get it.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 9, 2011 2:07pm
burt07;671779 wrote:McCamey has been extremely overrated his whole time at Illinois. People have raved about him but what has he done? Missed two tournaments and one first round bounce.
Are we talking about basketball or wrestling? Because I could swear there are 4 other guys on the floor with you in basketball.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Feb 9, 2011 2:23pm
burt07;671779 wrote:McCamey has been extremely overrated his whole time at Illinois. People have raved about him but what has he done? Missed two tournaments and one first round bounce. He's actually gotten worse from last year but he still gets the pub. I don't really get it.
Disagree. McCamey is really good IMO. Yes, he has had a poor season this year. But Weber is doing a pisspoor job coaching this team. I think McCamey will be a good pro.
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burt07
Posts: 600
Feb 9, 2011 2:29pm
He's been the leader of that team for 3 years now and they have done next to nothing. That's not to say he doesn't have good games and that other guys are not to blame as well, as they are. Guys like Mike Davis have never lived up to their expectations. But for someone that has regressed this year and disappears in games, he gets a lot more credit than he deserves.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Feb 9, 2011 2:47pm
burt07;671883 wrote:He's been the leader of that team for 3 years now and they have done next to nothing. That's not to say he doesn't have good games and that other guys are not to blame as well, as they are. Guys like Mike Davis have never lived up to their expectations. But for someone that has regressed this year and disappears in games, he gets a lot more credit than he deserves.
Your only as good as those around you. Its a team sport. If Sullinger didn't have the players he has around him, he wouldn't be doing nearly as good as he is.
On top of that, he is still getting 15pts per game, 7 asst and shooting nearly 50% from three. Still not too shabby.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 9, 2011 2:49pm
The Cousy award isn't a lifetime achievement award, and he's (McCamey) not done well enough this year to be up for consideration imo.
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burt07
Posts: 600
Feb 9, 2011 2:59pm
He still has decent stats and like I said, there have been times when he's stepped up, but like the original article by Katz says, it doesn't match up to what guys like Hollaway and Taylor have done. He's living a lot off the reputation he's developed, which I still don't get why it's such a great reputation to begin with.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 9, 2011 3:37pm
centralbucksfan;671913 wrote:Your only as good as those around you. Its a team sport. If Sullinger didn't have the players he has around him, he wouldn't be doing nearly as good as he is.
On top of that, he is still getting 15pts per game, 7 asst and shooting nearly 50% from three. Still not too shabby.
Eh, I think if Sullinger didn't have other good players around him he would look even more dominant than he has.
Ankle Breaker
Posts: 398
Feb 9, 2011 4:36pm
SQ_Crazies;671989 wrote:Eh, I think if Sullinger didn't have other good players around him he would look even more dominant than he has.
I don't see your logic. Another thing that makes Sullinger tough (besides his own skills) is that the other teams pay for double teaming him by giving up threes to his teammates. If his teammates couldn't shoot, well, the whole defense would collapse on him. Surely you can see that.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Feb 9, 2011 5:15pm
burt07;671927 wrote:He still has decent stats and like I said, there have been times when he's stepped up, but like the original article by Katz says, it doesn't match up to what guys like Hollaway and Taylor have done. He's living a lot off the reputation he's developed, which I still don't get why it's such a great reputation to begin with.
No, I never said he should be in the running for this award. I just didn't agree with you saying he is way overrated. His reputation is what it is because he has been a pretty consistant player for almost 4yrs now.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 9, 2011 6:22pm
Defenses already collapse on him, he scores anyways. The reason they're undefeated is because he kicks to those shooters and they just generally have space. If they didn't, he'd just get the ball more and dominate more--the team wouldn't be as good.
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cat_lover
Posts: 2,388
Feb 9, 2011 7:24pm
Jordan Taylor should be on that list for sure.
CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Feb 9, 2011 8:42pm
Jordan Taylor isn't even the best player that was left off that list.
But I'll play along and just laugh at some of the names on it. No one actually watches a game I think. They just read the pure bullshit that ESPN's 'writers' decide to see fit to write about.
But I'll play along and just laugh at some of the names on it. No one actually watches a game I think. They just read the pure bullshit that ESPN's 'writers' decide to see fit to write about.
september63
Posts: 5,789
Feb 13, 2011 9:06am
He looked good yesterday.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Feb 13, 2011 9:13am
agreed--he made some people who left him off the list look foolish...he was unstoppable yesterday
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 17, 2011 12:20am
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/23483/cousy-award-flip-flops-on-jordan-taylor
He's on the list as the 11th finalist and RIGHTFULLY so.
BTW I edited the thread title to reflect this...
He's on the list as the 11th finalist and RIGHTFULLY so.
BTW I edited the thread title to reflect this...
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Feb 17, 2011 1:27am
Good for him, but bad for the award.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 17, 2011 1:33am
Tiger2003;681585 wrote:Good for him, but bad for the award.
I agree.
Nothing gives you a black eye like going back on your original word.
I hope he wins it and refuses to accept it lol
september63
Posts: 5,789
Feb 17, 2011 12:23pm
These awards are mostly all BS anyways. How can Bo Ryan be on the committee that selects the winner? It is all about politicking.
CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Feb 17, 2011 7:16pm
Well now its official that the award is a joke. Good lord. Its flat out admitting that those voting didn't watch any Wisconsin games this year except versus Ohio State.
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Feb 17, 2011 7:33pm
This guy should have been on the list....
CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Feb 17, 2011 7:37pm
Tiger2003;682339 wrote:
This guy should have been on the list....
No one on the committee even knows where that tiny little school is. Let alone vote for a guy who is top 10 easily and could be argued top 5. 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists a game isn't very good anyway. Lots of people do it
