Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Feb 7, 2011 7:32pm
CenterBHSFan;669057 wrote:Well, if you're serious about this, I commend you for it.
It's hard to try and think out logical solutions without emotion.
Thanks....
I know I'm going to get made fun of for this....but in writing this and thinking,I've decided to enter the political circle and run for school board
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Feb 7, 2011 7:47pm
Well, the first thing you'll have to learn is that you can't go around and call people you don't like/agree with the "C" word and expect to be taken seriously lol
O-Trap
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Feb 7, 2011 9:28pm
I was speaking as much to the "partisanship" in your statement as I was the bickering.Writerbuckeye;668863 wrote:Not really.
Look at when the biggest, most intrusive pieces of legislation were passed. Two examples: FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society. Both of these expanded the intrusive role of government by leaps and bounds, and it only happened because one party was in control of the government (liberal Democrats).
Had there been a split in these, there is a good chance neither would have passed because there wouldn't have been agreement on them from everyone.
The most damaging pieces of legislation in our country's history have happened when one party basically had all the power.
I'm willing to bet that if people thought for themselves instead of just siding with "their team" all the time, we'd have more than two major parties, and neither of these probably would have passed.
CenterBHSFan;669092 wrote:Well, the first thing you'll have to learn is that you can't go around and call people you don't like/agree with the "C" word and expect to be taken seriously lol
"Skittles" starts with an 's'.
I'm just messing with you, Gibs. I appreciate the premise of the original post, if not necessarily every nuance of it.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Feb 7, 2011 10:59pm
Ty Webb;669067 wrote:Thanks....
I know I'm going to get made fun of for this....but in writing this and thinking,I've decided to enter the political circle and run for school board
I like your sense of civic duty/involvement, but think about city council rather than school board. School boards all across the country are nothing more than rubber stamps for administrators. Superintendents of school districts guide the board through his/her agenda and dissenters aren't welcome. You might get elected, but when you mess with their agenda you will have a hard time getting re-elected.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Feb 8, 2011 12:04am
Will you have the same love for the kids as your hero MJ?Ty Webb;669067 wrote:Thanks....
I know I'm going to get made fun of for this....but in writing this and thinking,I've decided to enter the political circle and run for school board
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Feb 8, 2011 12:29pm
Writerbuckeye;668812 wrote:I'm divided on term limits. Used to be I was like Center and thought it should be mandatory everywhere that people only be allowed to serve a few terms and then move on.
Then I realized that's not letting people decide for themselves if they want to keep someone in office or not. Picking an arbitrary number of years that people can serve doesn't really accomplish what I believe in, which is the freedom of choice by an electorate to decide who they want to serve.
If people are truly good at the job and their constituents want them, who am I to say they shouldn't be allowed to vote them in as many times as they want? Or vote them out after one term, for that matter.
As for what was posted: I still find it hilarious that when Democrats had all the power we never saw a hint of "bipartisanship" or heard more than lip service (if that) about it. But when the power is split or Republicans have control, then it all of a sudden becomes this all important goal.
Frankly, honest disagreement and fierce debate are a big part of our country's history and its political process. I think it goes with the separation of powers to keep those who are supposed to represent us as honest and forthright as possible AND most likely was done to keep the hand of government from reaching too far into our lives.
Of course, the latter has happened gradually through the years, anyway, so if public bickering and partisanship can keep the government from growing any more, or intruding further into our lives, then I say BICKER ON!
This I agree with. Bickering and debate is good and part of coming to good solutions (or preventing bad ones). As for term limits, my problem is with the lame duck congressman/woman who knows he/she is on his/her way out, thus they don't have to worry about accountability to the voters and can do whatever damage they want. To me that is dangerous, thus the need for elections to hold leaders acccountable.
Writerbuckeye;668863 wrote:Not really.
Look at when the biggest, most intrusive pieces of legislation were passed. Two examples: FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society. Both of these expanded the intrusive role of government by leaps and bounds, and it only happened because one party was in control of the government (liberal Democrats).
Had there been a split in these, there is a good chance neither would have passed because there wouldn't have been agreement on them from everyone.
The most damaging pieces of legislation in our country's history have happened when one party basically had all the power.
True true.
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Feb 8, 2011 4:32pm
stlouiedipalma;669491 wrote:I like your sense of civic duty/involvement, but think about city council rather than school board. School boards all across the country are nothing more than rubber stamps for administrators. Superintendents of school districts guide the board through his/her agenda and dissenters aren't welcome. You might get elected, but when you mess with their agenda you will have a hard time getting re-elected.
I live a 1/2 mile outside of the city limits,therefor I cannot run for Council
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Feb 13, 2011 5:47pm
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/02/13/quote_of_the_day.html
The legislative agenda of Barack Obama is over."
-- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), quoted by the Lexington Herald Leader, declaring that Republicans will only work with President Obama to do what "we think is right for America
That is what is wrong with American Politics. Would feel the same way if this had been Dick Durbin or Harry Reid
The legislative agenda of Barack Obama is over."
-- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), quoted by the Lexington Herald Leader, declaring that Republicans will only work with President Obama to do what "we think is right for America
That is what is wrong with American Politics. Would feel the same way if this had been Dick Durbin or Harry Reid
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Feb 13, 2011 5:52pm
Don't you just hate it when politicians want to do what is right for American?Ty Webb;676921 wrote:http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/02/13/quote_of_the_day.html
The legislative agenda of Barack Obama is over."
-- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), quoted by the Lexington Herald Leader, declaring that Republicans will only work with President Obama to do what "we think is right for America
That is what is wrong with American Politics. Would feel the same way if this had been Dick Durbin or Harry Reid
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Feb 13, 2011 5:55pm
He wants to do what HE thinks is right for America...instead of working together to come up with the best bills for America
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Feb 13, 2011 6:03pm
Ty Webb;676930 wrote:He wants to do what HE thinks is right for America...instead of working together to come up with the best bills for America
If he keeps Obama from spending, he is doing what is best for America. Obama has been a disaster.
Ty Webb
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Feb 13, 2011 6:08pm
That is your opinion....but you are entitled to it
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Al Bundy
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Feb 13, 2011 6:34pm
Ty Webb;676945 wrote:That is your opinion....but you are entitled to it
What has he done beside being great at delivering speeches?
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Feb 13, 2011 6:47pm
Al....
If you need me to answer that question,you haven't been paying attention
If you need me to answer that question,you haven't been paying attention
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Al Bundy
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Feb 13, 2011 6:50pm
Ty Webb;677002 wrote:Al....
If you need me to answer that question,you haven't been paying attention
It was meant as a rhetorical question, but if you think you can answer it, go for it.
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Feb 13, 2011 7:03pm
-Passed Health Care Reform
-Ended One War,on his way to ending another
-New Start Treaty
-Repeal of Don't Ask,Don't Tell
- Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
- New GI Bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan
- Signed the first major piece of federal gay rights legislation that includes acts of violence against gays under the list of federal hate crimes
-Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
-Ended One War,on his way to ending another
-New Start Treaty
-Repeal of Don't Ask,Don't Tell
- Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
- New GI Bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan
- Signed the first major piece of federal gay rights legislation that includes acts of violence against gays under the list of federal hate crimes
-Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 13, 2011 7:04pm
Al Bundy;677007 wrote:It was meant as a rhetorical question, but if you think you can answer it, go for it.
Foreign policy wise, he has not been bad at all.
Gibby/ Ty whoever, while I would like to really support your ideas and the goals, the problem is it is nearly impossible change the very nature of politics. Politicians have been the same for thousands of years. While I would like to see it happen, and am sadden by the eradication of the moderate center since the 1980s, I highly doubt we will see any of those changes anytime soon.
9/11 was the closest we came, and even that was messed up by politics on both sides.
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Al Bundy
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Feb 13, 2011 7:19pm
ptown_trojans_1;677027 wrote:Foreign policy wise, he has not been bad at all.
I think he has handled the situation with Mexico poorly. Other than that, he has been our best foreign policy president since Bush 41.
Writerbuckeye
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Feb 13, 2011 9:13pm
Al Bundy;676974 wrote:What has he done beside being great at delivering speeches?
Sorry, but his speechifying isn't all that great. He gets a lot of kudos from a media that adores him, more than actually making a lot of great speeches. And any "great" speech maker doesn't need all the electronic help that he does. They can give those speeches almost extemporaneously, or with just a few notes.
O-Trap
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Feb 14, 2011 1:52am
Ty Webb;676930 wrote:He wants to do what HE thinks is right for America...instead of working together to come up with the best bills for America
I could just use fewer bills.
That is all.
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Con_Alma
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Feb 14, 2011 7:11am
O-Trap;677639 wrote:I could just use fewer bills.
That is all.
Amen to that. Why do all problems in the U.S have to be solved with legislation?
O-Trap
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Feb 14, 2011 11:12am
Con_Alma;677666 wrote:Amen to that. Why do all problems in the U.S have to be solved with legislation?
How about some REPEAL of legislation?
But that will never happen on as large a scale as it needs to. The government has gotten so bloated and ineffective, but so many people are now employed by it who, if they lost their job there, would never survive in the private sector. Some would survive, and even thrive. Others, however, wouldn't.