Red Right 21;960568 wrote:And just how would you propose the AD from Orrville and the AD's in Wayne Co schedule this playoff-caliber match up year after year? so in 2012,2013 2014, 2015, who will be the playoff caliber Wayne Co league teams?

I didn't say it was easily doable. I began the statement with "I wish." That was worded appropriately.

It would be interesting and fun to see the wcal champ every year....but I think the only logical answer is to do it this way, meeting in the playoffs.

Red Right 21;960629 wrote:and what week do they play?

Could replace Triway...I mean...how it that a rivalry in football when you just win 30+ out of 35 years?

Red Right 21;960629 wrote:and what week do they play?

I was answering the question about what teams I predicted as being play off caliber teams in the WCAL next season. Christ, not everything is about an Orrville match up.

If we replace Triway it will be to reschedule Dover.....

Play off points being what they are now, I can see Orrville dropping Triway.

THE4RINGZ;960662 wrote:I was answering the question about what teams I predicted as being play off caliber teams in the WCAL next season. Christ, not everything is about an Orrville match up.

It's not?

you think you know;960670 wrote:It's not?

I know, hard to grasp, huh?

THE4RINGZ;960675 wrote:I know, hard to grasp, huh?

It's downright flabbergasting to some.

Norwayne Orrville, Saturday at 7pm at Medina High School. Should be a great game.

Paul is online right now!!!!!

OQB;960839 wrote:Paul is online right now!!!!!

Who wants to define the spread for number of minutes until he posts?

What makes people think Orrville wants to play a Wayne county League team in regular season schedule?

OQB;960639 wrote:It would be interesting and fun to see the wcal champ every year....but I think the only logical answer is to do it this way, meeting in the playoffs.

Now we have something! A rational fan! Well said OQB

OQB;960639 wrote:It would be interesting and fun to see the wcal champ every year....but I think the only logical answer is to do it this way, meeting in the playoffs.

I think it would be more logical for Orville to schedule a Smithville, Waynedale, or Dalton. You want a team that will win 5+ games a year that you have a chance to beat every year. It just isn't logical for those teams to schedule Orrville. I think just about every year there is a team or two in the WCAL who could potentially beat them. (2002 Smithville/Dalton would be one of those teams, 2003 S/D/Waynedale could pull it off, 2006 NWern would have a chance, ect...) but if one team is singled out... Say Smithville for example... Over a five year period Smithville might win 2 years against Orrville.

The only way a WCAL matchup would happen in the regular season is if Orrville drops Triway because I don't see them dropping the other non-league games unless Northwest's school district folds or loses all their athletics.

If we drop Triway we will be rescheduling Dover...

BEARIDER;960861 wrote:What makes people think Orrville wants to play a Wayne county League team in regular season schedule?

Harbin points?

From 1993 to 2006, Smithville would have been a nice add, being 7-3 or better in every year but one (when they went 6-4). That seems like it would have been a consistent point help to the Orrville teams that would have beat them (though I recall some not-so-great Orrville teams in that stretch).

Teams have ups and downs. The 11-2 Smithies of 2001 probably would have beat the 2-8 Riders. Last year, the roles would be drastically reversed.

All in all, I do think it would be good to see Orrville schedule a WCAL team that is likely to compete for awhile. Not saying the logistics of it would work, but I think it would be great for the county as a whole.

No way Orrville schedules a WCAL team. The up and down in the league hurts them when looking into the future trying to collect enough points. Sorry to break the news to you, but it is a fact, they need to schedule up Northwest, Copley and ???? to make a play off run even if they go 7-3.


Facts don't lie.

From the looks of it, Orrville only seems to beat Copley when they are mediocre to down, meaning Orrville seems to get very little out of playing the down Copley teams, and they receive losses when Copley is good, meaning Copley adds to their struggle to get in. You have to go back to 2003 to find an Orrville team that beat a Copley team with a record of 7-3 or better.

I actually like Triway on the schedule. It hurt this year, but in seasons past, it looks to have helped Orrville.

Scheduling up is fine, as long as you win. Ask Ursuline this year. Their "scheduling up" kept them out of a playoff appearance, and if they'd gotten in, they probably would have won the whole thing.

Also, while not necessarily easy to tell every year, there are several years in which scheduling a WCAL team would be more "scheduling up" as it is to play a 2-8 team in divisions II, III, or IV.

But I do acknowledge that foresight of which WCAL teams will be consistently good for several years is tricky in some cases (though, as previously stated, Smithville and Dalton would have been slam dunks during one era).

O-Trap;961630 wrote:From the looks of it, Orrville only seems to beat Copley when they are mediocre to down, meaning Orrville seems to get very little out of playing the down Copley teams, and they receive losses when Copley is good, meaning Copley adds to their struggle to get in.

I disagree....Orrville gets a lot out of playing Copley, even if we lose or if they are "down". They have very good athletes and size that prepares us well for the conference. Look at the scores of those games.....when Orrville wins it's pretty convincing, when Copley wins it is usually close (except for a few years...Delone Carter, who is in the NFL ran all over us lol)

Our philosophy is to be able to go into league play at 2-1, sure we would like to be 3-0....but it doesn't ruin the season by losing in the non-conference games.

O-Trap;961630 wrote: You have to go back to 2003 to find an Orrville team that beat a Copley team with a record of 7-3 or better.

We were very young that year and it was Hiller's first season as starter.

O-Trap;961630 wrote:I actually like Triway on the schedule. It hurt this year, but in seasons past, it looks to have helped Orrville.

I agree they have helped us with computer points the last 3 years....but ask most Orrville fans and they would rather have Dover week 2.

O-Trap;961630 wrote:Scheduling up is fine, as long as you win. Ask Ursuline this year. Their "scheduling up" kept them out of a playoff appearance, and if they'd gotten in, they probably would have won the whole thing.

We have done a pretty good job at this....with the exception of 2 years in the past decade where we were 6-4 and 7-3 and didn't get in.

O-Trap;961630 wrote:Also, while not necessarily easy to tell every year, there are several years in which scheduling a WCAL team would be more "scheduling up" as it is to play a 2-8 team in divisions II, III, or IV.

This game would be like Triway the last 3 years....

O-Trap;961630 wrote:But I do acknowledge that foresight of which WCAL teams will be consistently good for several years is tricky in some cases (though, as previously stated, Smithville and Dalton would have been slam dunks during one era).

Yes, those Smithie and Bulldog teams were good and gave us fans some great football to watch.

OQB;961639 wrote:I disagree....Orrville gets a lot out of playing Copley, even if we lose or if they are "down". They have very good athletes and size that prepares us well for the conference. Look at the scores of those games.....when Orrville wins it's pretty convincing, when Copley wins it is usually close (accept for a few years...Delone Carter, who is in the NFL ran all over us lol)

A convincing win is not typically one that prepares you for anything, though, because the win is convincing as a result of the opponent not playing at the same level, so I'm not sure how those games would have helped Orrville.

OQB;961639 wrote: Our philosophy is to be able to go into league play at 2-1, sure we would like to be 3-0....but it doesn't ruin the season by losing in the non-conference games.

It doesn't unless you struggle with 2 or 3 conference opponents. Then, the extra win against a decent-to-good team in non-league play becomes a blessing.

OQB;961639 wrote:We were very young that year and it was Hiller's first season as starter.

I was saying that Orrville won that year, but that since then, Orrville has not beaten a Copley team unless it was having a down year. Since then, I believe Orrville is 1-1 against Copley teams that end up going 6-4. If Copley ends up worse, Orrville wins convincingly (meaning the experience isn't likely that helpful, and the points aren't much better). If Copley ends up better, Orrville gets 0 points, albeit the experience might be good.

OQB;961639 wrote: I agree they have helped us with computer points the last 3 years....but ask most Orrville fans and they would rather have Dover week 2.

Thing is, a loss to Dover instead of a win over Triway would have made Orrville's placement in last year's playoffs much different. They would have probably still made it, but it would have been far more likely for them to have had to play Clearfork in Rd. 2, and we saw what Clearfork did to them in the regular season.

Plus, they lost to Triway in 09, so it wasn't as though you couldn't have called that scheduling up.

I get that schools in higher divisions give you more first level points, and I suppose some might have the perception that a mediocre team in a higher division is better than a good team in a lower division, but I'm not convinced that is the case. I'd be interested in seeing some facts on that, as I only have anecdotes.

OQB;961639 wrote:This game would be like Triway the last 3 years....

Potentially, yes. Sometimes Orrville wins. Sometimes Triway (or whichever team) wins. I would contend that there would be a level of parody in years when both teams do well with their own respective schedules.

OQB;961639 wrote: Yes, those Smithie and Bulldog teams were good and gave us fans some great football to watch.

Yeah ... we were.

Good conversation about this topic!

I'm just happy this game is happening haha

I guess we will see if the "level of competition" is there Sat. night? In this day and age, of tight budgets and a poor economy, I think it might be a smart idea to schedual another team from Wayne County.

Copley is not just on the schedule because of the last decade. We've played them 37 times, 4th most of anyone and only 2 behind Triway. Its more than just an opponent that we "schedule up". The last 2 games went to OT and you can make a serious argument that last years shouldn't have. We need Copley annually for more than just points. I would agree that the athleticism we see play against in that game is more than we would see from an all star team most years in the WCAL. No offense to the league, Copley just always has athletes that are fast and physical, even when they're down.

I don't share the opinion of wanting Dover in week 2 on the schedule. Northwest, Dover then Copley is too much to get off the ground in any given year. I wouldn't mind playing Dover again, it would just have to be at the expense of playing Northwest imo

Hate to do it......but I agree with 4Loopholes.
Orrville is never ever going to schedule a WCAL team. It doesn't benefit them, sure the travel time would be reduced but they could go play teams like Wadsworth & Cloverleaf that would get them more points and still cut travel time if that ever becomes an issue.

The Playoffs are where the WCAL will have to make its statements against the Riders. Norwayne gets a shot on Saturday and I believe Northwestern is undefeated against Orrville in Football.

Maybe if the WCAL teams start knocking Orrville out of the playoffs, things will change. Until then......