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Oct 25, 2011 9:05 AM
It looks like Hillsdale is pretty much in a "win or go home" position regarding the playoffs.
Smithville could win and still not make it in.
Norwayne is in.

The above situation has heavily influenced my picks for the week. I have given little thought to the WCAL title chase. (I know, not very wise)


Hillsdale over Norwayne- I'm pulling for the Falcons because I want them to make the playoffs and winning is their only chance.
Smithville over Chippewa- Hope the stars align and the Smithies find a way into week 11.

Northwestern & Waynedale also close the season with victories.


regarding the league crown, outright champ or 3 way tie matters little to me since the Huskies aren't in the conversation. I'm going with Hillsdale for the playoff reason.

If things go poorly and Hillsdale loses..........and Smithville doesn't get the required help
that leaves 1 WCAL team in the playoffs, Its been quite awhile since that happened.
Oct 25, 2011 9:05am
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Oct 25, 2011 10:08 AM
Red Rum;944603 wrote:It looks like Hillsdale is pretty much in a "win or go home" position regarding the playoffs.
Smithville could win and still not make it in.
Norwayne is in.

The above situation has heavily influenced my picks for the week. I have given little thought to the WCAL title chase. (I know, not very wise)


Hillsdale over Norwayne- I'm pulling for the Falcons because I want them to make the playoffs and winning is their only chance.
Smithville over Chippewa- Hope the stars align and the Smithies find a way into week 11.

Northwestern & Waynedale also close the season with victories.


regarding the league crown, outright champ or 3 way tie matters little to me since the Huskies aren't in the conversation. I'm going with Hillsdale for the playoff reason.

If things go poorly and Hillsdale loses..........and Smithville doesn't get the required help
that leaves 1 WCAL team in the playoffs, Its been quite awhile since that happened.
When the teams play too tough a non-conference schedule, they bring too few wins into league play, and it hurts the league's playoff shots.

No reason a 9-1 Hillsdale or an 8-2 Smithville team that has wins against a couple teams like Moggy and Norwayne should miss the playoffs.
Oct 25, 2011 10:08am
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Oct 25, 2011 10:29 AM
O-Trap;944632 wrote:When the teams play too tough a non-conference schedule, they bring too few wins into league play, and it hurts the league's playoff shots.

No reason a 9-1 Hillsdale or an 8-2 Smithville team that has wins against a couple teams like Moggy and Norwayne should miss the playoffs.
agreed
Oct 25, 2011 10:29am
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Oct 25, 2011 10:37 AM
O-Trap;944632 wrote:When the teams play too tough a non-conference schedule, they bring too few wins into league play, and it hurts the league's playoff shots.

No reason a 9-1 Hillsdale or an 8-2 Smithville team that has wins against a couple teams like Moggy and Norwayne should miss the playoffs.
Unfortunately thats how the system works. It is still a lot better system than most states and a heck of a lot better than the BCS.
Oct 25, 2011 10:37am
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Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM
O-Trap;944632 wrote:When the teams play too tough a non-conference schedule, they bring too few wins into league play, and it hurts the league's playoff shots.

No reason a 9-1 Hillsdale or an 8-2 Smithville team that has wins against a couple teams like Moggy and Norwayne should miss the playoffs.

Yeah, it's a bummer and a very real possibility.

I think multiple factors (schedules, regional assignments, etc.) have conspired against the WCAL this season. I'm still hoping the perfect storm of completely insane events occur that through some great miracle would land both teams in.

I think the leagues greatest chances of a deep playoff run are with a D5 qualifier.
I'm not writing Norwayne off, I'm just saying I think the D4/R13 road is gonna be tougher sledding.
Oct 25, 2011 10:48am
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Oct 25, 2011 11:13 AM
Go Falcons;944648 wrote:Unfortunately thats how the system works. It is still a lot better system than most states and a heck of a lot better than the BCS.
I absolutely agree. Comparatively speaking, I love the Harbin system. It just sucks the way it plays out sometimes.
Red Rum;944656 wrote:Yeah, it's a bummer and a very real possibility.

I think multiple factors (schedules, regional assignments, etc.) have conspired against the WCAL this season. I'm still hoping the perfect storm of completely insane events occur that through some great miracle would land both teams in.

I think the leagues greatest chances of a deep playoff run are with a D5 qualifier.
I'm not writing Norwayne off, I'm just saying I think the D4/R13 road is gonna be tougher sledding.
Very true, but whoever does make it out of Region 13 is gonna be a female dog to deal with at the State Semis.
Oct 25, 2011 11:13am
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Oct 25, 2011 11:20 AM
A little perspective on the regional placement.

If these two D5 teams were in:

Region 17: 4th and 5th place

Region 18: 5th and 6th place

Region 20: 5th and 6th place

In most cases, they would both AT least control their own destiny. In 20, they might have clinched already.
Oct 25, 2011 11:20am
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Oct 25, 2011 12:52 PM
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O-Trap;944632 wrote:When the teams play too tough a non-conference schedule, they bring too few wins into league play, and it hurts the league's playoff shots.

No reason a 9-1 Hillsdale or an 8-2 Smithville team that has wins against a couple teams like Moggy and Norwayne should miss the playoffs.
Very true, but you have to take the good with the bad in a tough schedule....I would rather be battled tested and be 7-3 and make a nice playoff run, than 10-0 and lose first round.

I get what you are saying though! :D The bottom feeder teams need to win some games....I don't remember a year when their were 4 teams with less than 2 wins...usually their is one team like that and a couple of .500, sub .500 teams that can give you some points for beating them.
Go Falcons;944648 wrote:Unfortunately thats how the system works. It is still a lot better system than most states and a heck of a lot better than the BCS.
completely agree.....this system works just fine, and let's the kids settle it on the field.
O-Trap;944678 wrote:I absolutely agree. Comparatively speaking, I love the Harbin system. It just sucks the way it plays out sometimes.

Very true, but whoever does make it out of Region 13 is gonna be a female dog to deal with at the State Semis.
Agree with this too, but the other div. IV regions are pretty loaded as well.
O-Trap;944693 wrote:A little perspective on the regional placement.

If these two D5 teams were in:

Region 17: 4th and 5th place

Region 18: 5th and 6th place

Region 20: 5th and 6th place

In most cases, they would both AT least control their own destiny. In 20, they might have clinched already.
Still don't get this move to region 19.....:confused:
Oct 25, 2011 12:52pm
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Oct 25, 2011 1:15 PM
OQB;944773 wrote:Still don't get this move to region 19.....:confused:
Just look at the map it was the only way to do it and not put Wayne county in the same regions as Youngstown.

http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/ft/boys/2011/RegMaps.pdf
Oct 25, 2011 1:15pm
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Oct 25, 2011 1:26 PM
thanks for the maps....interesting stuff.
Oct 25, 2011 1:26pm
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Oct 25, 2011 2:16 PM
A trip to someplace like Portsmouth for a playoff game is nuts! What is that, something like a 3 hour one way trip?

Then again, a week 11 berth would be worth it.
Oct 25, 2011 2:16pm
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Oct 25, 2011 2:21 PM
I enjoyed looking at those maps! Region 19 encompasses 25 counties!!! That is going to make for some VERY long travel times in the first round!
Oct 25, 2011 2:21pm
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Oct 25, 2011 2:44 PM
I just read a private message, sent to me by someone we all know! accusing me of being Paul!!!! I nearly fell off my chair! lol!
I had to explain to him, that I was a long time poster on JJ's website and have been using the same screen name since 1999!
I am and always will be OLDSMITHIE!
Oct 25, 2011 2:44pm
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Oct 25, 2011 2:53 PM
I think oldsmithie is Paul
Oct 25, 2011 2:53pm
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Oct 25, 2011 3:06 PM
Paul wont be posting anymore, he's to busy running suicides while the team practices....:laugh:
Oct 25, 2011 3:06pm
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Oct 25, 2011 3:15 PM
oldsmithie;944903 wrote:I just read a private message, sent to me by someone we all know! accusing me of being Paul!!!! I nearly fell off my chair! lol!
I had to explain to him, that I was a long time poster on JJ's website and have been using the same screen name since 1999!
I am and always will be OLDSMITHIE!
I have never seen a post by you that even resembles a Paul post.

But made we should get a sworn affidavit from OQB! LOL
Oct 25, 2011 3:15pm
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Oct 25, 2011 4:12 PM
oldsmithie;944882 wrote:I enjoyed looking at those maps! Region 19 encompasses 25 counties!!! That is going to make for some VERY long travel times in the first round!
Anyone else remember Smithville playing Hemlock-friggin-Miller in Round 1 of the 2000 playoffs? That ended up being about a two-and-a-half hour drive.

And of course, we were in Region 19!

The following year, it was another two-and-a-half hour trek to Amanda-Clearcreek in Round 1. You guessed it! Region 19!
Oct 25, 2011 4:12pm
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Oct 25, 2011 4:20 PM
O-Trap I was at both of those games! The Amanda Clearcreek game was a mud pit!
Footballnut: I sure hope your kidding!
Oct 25, 2011 4:20pm
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Oct 25, 2011 4:27 PM
oldsmithie;945026 wrote:O-Trap I was at both of those games! The Amanda Clearcreek game was a mud pit!
Footballnut: I sure hope your kidding!
Then you watched me play. :D
Oct 25, 2011 4:27pm
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Oct 25, 2011 4:32 PM
O-Trap;945015 wrote:Anyone else remember Smithville playing Hemlock-friggin-Miller in Round 1 of the 2000 playoffs? That ended up being about a two-and-a-half hour drive.

And of course, we were in Region 19!

The following year, it was another two-and-a-half hour trek to Amanda-Clearcreek in Round 1. You guessed it! Region 19!
Clearcreek is in Fairfield county and Miller in Perry county, now look farther south a few ( 3 or 4) counties as 3 of the top 4 could be from Athens county ( Nelsonville York ) and Scioto County way down on the river ( Portsmouth West and Lucasville Valley) both 3 1/2 to 4 hour one way trips. So if a Wayne county teams finishes in the top 8 hope for a Wynford or Grandview matchup in the 1st round.
Oct 25, 2011 4:32pm
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Oct 25, 2011 4:37 PM
Crestview has the same hopes, but are planning on buses just in case
Oct 25, 2011 4:37pm
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Oct 25, 2011 4:53 PM
Should we start the conspiracy theory talk again?
Oct 25, 2011 4:53pm
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Oct 25, 2011 4:57 PM
I drove to Delphos last Saturday night and watched a really good game. I don't care if I have to drive 4 hours if it means watching the Falcons in the post season and we will bring a lot with us!
Oct 25, 2011 4:57pm
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Oct 25, 2011 5:28 PM
riders1;945045 wrote:Clearcreek is in Fairfield county and Miller in Perry county, now look farther south a few ( 3 or 4) counties as 3 of the top 4 could be from Athens county ( Nelsonville York ) and Scioto County way down on the river ( Portsmouth West and Lucasville Valley) both 3 1/2 to 4 hour one way trips. So if a Wayne county teams finishes in the top 8 hope for a Wynford or Grandview matchup in the 1st round.
I don't see what the big deal is. I live in Jackson County and drive 3 hours one way each week to watch Smithville games. Bout time a game could be played down my way :)
Oct 25, 2011 5:28pm
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Oct 25, 2011 5:47 PM
THE4RINGZ;944269 wrote:judi chopped?
Plural of Judo.
Oct 25, 2011 5:47pm