Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 29, 2011 12:44pm
Rodgers
Matthews
Jennings
LeBeau
Polamalu (Michigan fan, painful to do that)
Tomlin
Historical-Football-related:
Lombardi
Bradshaw
Lambert?
Hornung?
(Reggie) White
Non-Football-related:
Iron City?
Bratwurst?
Cheeseheads
Cheese Curds
Pennsylvania
And finally...
Packers
Matthews
Jennings
LeBeau
Polamalu (Michigan fan, painful to do that)
Tomlin
Historical-Football-related:
Lombardi
Bradshaw
Lambert?
Hornung?
(Reggie) White
Non-Football-related:
Iron City?
Bratwurst?
Cheeseheads
Cheese Curds
Pennsylvania
And finally...
Packers
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 29, 2011 12:45pm
I just chose Matthews because he brings everything that Harrison does to the table...and is younger/more in his prime IMO. Id take either on the Falcons, but out of these two Id just like Matthews a bit moreIronman92;656980 wrote:I'm a Steelers fan so I would mostly go with PIttsburgh choices....but I am surprised that fans of niether almost all have chosen Mathews over Harrison.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Jan 29, 2011 2:25pm
2010-Football-related:
Rodgers or Roethlisberger?
Harrison or Matthews?
Jennings or Wallace?
LeBeau or Capers?
Woodson or Polamalu?
Tomlin or McCarthy?
Historical-Football-related:
Lombardi or Noll?
Bradshaw or Starr?
Nitschke or Lambert?
(Reggie) White or (Joe) Greene?
Non-Football-related:
Leinenkugel's or Iron City? Neither.
Polish Sausage or Bratwurst? Both
Cheeseheads or Terrible Towels?
Cheese Curds or Pierogies? Never had cheese curds
Pennsylvania or Wisconsin?
And finally...
Packers or Steelers?
Rodgers or Roethlisberger?
Harrison or Matthews?
Jennings or Wallace?
LeBeau or Capers?
Woodson or Polamalu?
Tomlin or McCarthy?
Historical-Football-related:
Lombardi or Noll?
Bradshaw or Starr?
Nitschke or Lambert?
(Reggie) White or (Joe) Greene?
Non-Football-related:
Leinenkugel's or Iron City? Neither.
Polish Sausage or Bratwurst? Both
Cheeseheads or Terrible Towels?
Cheese Curds or Pierogies? Never had cheese curds
Pennsylvania or Wisconsin?
And finally...
Packers or Steelers?
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 29, 2011 4:58pm
I don't agree that Mathews brings the same to the table a Harrison. Yes, both are beast and they are 2 of the top 5 defensive players in the NFL.
Mathews had 3 1/2 more sacks...but Harrison had 40 more tackles, 4 more forced fumbles and 1 more fumble recovery.
I believe Harrison has one more edge.......no one has a bigger chip on their shoulder than James Harrison....and he plays with it.
Mathews had 3 1/2 more sacks...but Harrison had 40 more tackles, 4 more forced fumbles and 1 more fumble recovery.
I believe Harrison has one more edge.......no one has a bigger chip on their shoulder than James Harrison....and he plays with it.
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Jan 29, 2011 5:47pm
Hb31187;657350 wrote:I just chose Matthews because he brings everything that Harrison does to the table...and is younger/more in his prime IMO. Id take either on the Falcons, but out of these two Id just like Matthews a bit more
I agree with this to a degree. He doesn't bring everything that Harrison does right now, but he's pretty damn close and he's younger. If I had to take one on my team right now, it's probably Matthews because of his potential.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2011 12:19am
Didnt realize Matthews had so few tackles honestly, kinda surprised me when i read that. I agree then that Harrison brings a lil more to the table than Matthews.
Idk bout the chip thing though, plenty of people have the same exact chip that Harrison does, if you're refering to the not getting a lot of NFL teams attention, getting cut ect
Idk bout the chip thing though, plenty of people have the same exact chip that Harrison does, if you're refering to the not getting a lot of NFL teams attention, getting cut ect
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 30, 2011 3:03pm
A lot of people have gotten cut....Harrison has been cut what? 5 times? 3 by the Steelers?
How many of those players are anywhere near the level of Harrison. Harrison has been shunned most of his football life. Where did he play in college Akron? Been cut 5 times? Clay Mathews Dad and uncle played 18+ years EACH in the NFL....stud at USC....it's impressive that he has even surpassed the hype....but Clay had it made as far as getting the many chances to be the stud......Harrison has had to prove WAY more people wrong.
How many of those players are anywhere near the level of Harrison. Harrison has been shunned most of his football life. Where did he play in college Akron? Been cut 5 times? Clay Mathews Dad and uncle played 18+ years EACH in the NFL....stud at USC....it's impressive that he has even surpassed the hype....but Clay had it made as far as getting the many chances to be the stud......Harrison has had to prove WAY more people wrong.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2011 3:16pm
Im not saying compared to Matthews he doesnt have a chip, he def has more of a chip on his shoulder/more to prove between the 2.
You said biggest chip in the league though. Theres MANY people in the league who got cut, overlooked by colleges and have turned out to be studs. Lots of people carry that chip
You said biggest chip in the league though. Theres MANY people in the league who got cut, overlooked by colleges and have turned out to be studs. Lots of people carry that chip
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 30, 2011 3:19pm
It can't be measured and I realize that we could both be right or wrong...but IMO he has the biggest chip...or plays with it the most. JMO
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 30, 2011 3:21pm
Ironman92;658146 wrote:It can't be measured and I realize that we could both be right or wrong...but IMO he has the biggest chip...or plays with it the most. JMO
Id say its more he has a chip, and has the talent to make you notice it. Some guys probably have as big a chip and play even harder than Harrison, but it goes unnoticed because they arent as talented.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 30, 2011 3:27pm
Beast.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jan 30, 2011 4:30pm
I'm pretty sure Harrison retired, so Matthews wins by default
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Jan 31, 2011 5:58pm
Ironman92;658127 wrote:A lot of people have gotten cut....Harrison has been cut what? 5 times? 3 by the Steelers?
How many of those players are anywhere near the level of Harrison. Harrison has been shunned most of his football life. Where did he play in college Akron? Been cut 5 times? Clay Mathews Dad and uncle played 18+ years EACH in the NFL....stud at USC....it's impressive that he has even surpassed the hype....but Clay had it made as far as getting the many chances to be the stud......Harrison has had to prove WAY more people wrong.
Chip on shoulder doesn't equate to more talented though.
Here's an argument that I'd like someone to try to refute on why I'd take Matthews over Harrison. Most of us can agree that Matthews brings almost as much to the table as Harrison. Thing for me is, this is Matthews' second year in the league. It took like 6 years before Harrison was playing at the level he is now (not to mention everyone looks a little better in a Dick LeBeau defense, notice how guys like Joey Porter seem to fall off once they go elsewhere). So imagine, if you will, how good Matthews is going to be in a few more years. Along with his NFL pedigree, I'm taking Clay Matthews all day. I can only hope the Browns pick his brother come draft time.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 31, 2011 6:51pm
I think every person on here takes Mathews for the next 5 years.......aren't we talking now?
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Jan 31, 2011 7:44pm
DeyDurkie5;658218 wrote:I'm pretty sure Harrison retired, so Matthews wins by default
Nope he never retired.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 31, 2011 10:11pm
Ironman92;659580 wrote:I think every person on here takes Mathews for the next 5 years.......aren't we talking now?
Its not like we are the only ones. In fact YOU are in the minority. Mathews was second in DPOY to Troy, Harrison wasn't...
Its all opinion, and neither is wrong with these two, but it seems like you think we are all crazy.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jan 31, 2011 10:13pm
Tiger2003;659659 wrote:Nope he never retired.
oh my bad, I thought he said he was going to retire...guess he was just being a bitch
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 31, 2011 10:25pm
Yeah...Harrison was an embarrasing 3rd place....with his teammate taking his votes
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 31, 2011 11:35pm
He didnt take his votes. If someone thought he was the best, they would vote him the best. People think Clay is better by a 2-1 margin, if you expand the poll for the DPOY voting by those media members.Ironman92;659975 wrote:Yeah...Harrison was an embarrasing 3rd place....with his teammate taking his votes
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Jan 31, 2011 11:44pm
DeyDurkie5;659958 wrote:oh my bad, I thought he said he was going to retire...guess he was just being a bitch
LMAO!!! You are a fucking idiot.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 1, 2011 11:11am
Laley....first off I only think one person on here is crazy....and it's not you or any of the people I am talking to. I don't know what I put to infer that anyone was crazy and the arguements are legit both ways IMO. The stats are about dead even between the two and if anything Harrison's are slightly better. My only problem was that it SEEMS like some of the people who chose Matthews chose him because he is much younger or that he never had any set backs? The fact is they are both unbelievable players and like most of us agree are 2 of the top 3 defensive players in football as per AP vote....and I just thought any arguements for Matthew should be based on the NOW.....and he has plenty of them to warrant choosing.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 1, 2011 11:20am
Ironman92;660483 wrote:Laley....first off I only think one person on here is crazy....and it's not you or any of the people I am talking to. I don't know what I put to infer that anyone was crazy and the arguements are legit both ways IMO. The stats are about dead even between the two and if anything Harrison's are slightly better. My only problem was that it SEEMS like some of the people who chose Matthews chose him because he is much younger or that he never had any set backs? The fact is they are both unbelievable players and like most of us agree are 2 of the top 3 defensive players in football as per AP vote....and I just thought any arguements for Matthew should be based on the NOW.....and he has plenty of them to warrant choosing.
I agree with that. He, Troy P, and Harrison are the top 3 players on that side of the ball. Id probably through Ed Reed and Patrick Willis in there as well to round out my top 5. But that kind of depends on the position as you could argue Haloti Ngata is up there as well even though he is a DT.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Feb 1, 2011 1:19pm
BONUS ROUND:
Steely McBeam:
or
Packy Pack Packer:
Yes, Packy Pack Packer was a short-lived mascot from long ago. The Packers don't have one anymore.
Steely McBeam:
or
Packy Pack Packer:
Yes, Packy Pack Packer was a short-lived mascot from long ago. The Packers don't have one anymore.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 1, 2011 3:42pm
gorocks99;660638 wrote:BONUS ROUND:
Steely McBeam:
or
Packy Pack Packer:
Yes, Packy Pack Packer was a short-lived mascot from long ago. The Packers don't have one anymore.
Conan, they are both gay.
Sincerely,
Joe Buck
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Feb 3, 2011 4:27pm
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or
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or
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