teh awsum juan;719866 wrote:why would you send your very troubled students to schools by your own opinion don't work?

because they wont come to school...when they do they walk in the door cuss someone out and ask to be sent home..

Gblock;719870 wrote:again in my first post i said specifically columbus....and most in our county are online learners

what are the #s in Franklin County? I've yet to see you post something that shows that e-learners are the majority.

redstreak one;719814 wrote:When schools are mainly funded by each community, poor urban and poor rural schools will take a hit! Piketon schools have right around 1500 students k-12. Nearly 30% of people living here live at or below the Federal poverty level. Piketon schools are an effective district according to past state test statistics. Piketon gets 10% of its school funding from local property taxes, 10% from Federal funds and 80% from state funding.

There are 2 private schools who have k-12 classes. Pike Christian and Miracle City, they graduate about 6-10 kids each year. There are no charter schools within a 30 mile radius of us.

If the state keeps slashing and putting the emphasis on the community funded us, how long before our district starts severely lagging behind your more affluent areas? Not long at all! Then the pain clinics, meth labs and copper thefts will start spreading like wildfire even more than they are already!

So it's the state's responsibility to clean up your local community's ills and educate your children?

What the hell ever happened to individual accountability?

I'd hope that local communities would have more pride than to sit back and let the world around them go to hell and their children not get a quality education.

At the same time, if your local community is too lazy and ineffectual to take care of its own problems, then perhaps you are getting what you deserve.

Harsh, I know. But I get tired of these arguments that say if the state (or federal government) doesn't step in, we have no hope.

It's a BS excuse and a cop out.

Here's a great take from Stossel on how ineffectual the federal government has been with Amtrak and the graft and corruption that follows such projects that simply can't stand on their own.

John Stossel

It's amazing how modern politics resembles scenes of Ayn Rand's best-seller Atlas Shrugged.

Like the one in which a high-ranking government official pumps millions of dollars into a failing railroad company. The grateful railroad CEO rewards the government official by renovating his hometown train station and naming it after the government official. The renovation costs $5,700,000 more than expected.

Then comes the ribbon cutting ceremony. The CEO gets on one of his trains to go to the ceremony, but it breaks down. No surprise there: One out of every four trains his company runs is late. The CEO, chuckling at the irony, abandons the train and takes a car to the ceremony.

Unfortunately, that wasn't a scene in Atlas Shrugged. It happened this weekend.

The government official is Joe Biden.

http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/

derek bomar;719874 wrote:what are the #s in Franklin County? I've yet to see you post something that shows that e-learners are the majority.

i dont have those numbers, just basing it on 15 years of teaching in columbus and knowledge of the many schools here

actually if you go to my orignal link it does give the numbers you can add them up yourself

but

electronic classroom of tomorrow has 7500 students and ohio connections academy has 1200...that probably outnumbers the rest already

Gblock;719864 wrote:i was speaking of the ones in COLUMBUS

sorry - i fail to see where you specified columbus schools. also, perhaps columbus public schools should take a more active part in working with the charter school community.

Gblock;719885 wrote:actually if you go to my orignal link it does give the numbers you can add them up yourself

but

electronic classroom of tomorrow has 7500 students and ohio connections academy has 1200...that probably outnumbers the rest already

you notice how there are no ecot students in other counties in the state? i'm just guessing - but since the school is run out of franklin county the students are all registered here, even if they live, say, in cleveland

teh awsum juan;719888 wrote:sorry - i fail to see where you specified columbus schools. also, perhaps columbus public schools should take a more active part in working with the charter school community.

original post
while i am not against charter schools as a concept. currently there isnt enough regulation and there are way too many charter schools in ohio specifically in columbus that are a straight up scam. every year there is at least one or two of them that shut down often without notice halfway through the year after making millions and send the kids back to ccs after recieving no education for the year and then they are counted with our scores after only being in our schools for a few weeks. kids tell stories of no books, no lunch, teachers who dont care what you do an just give everyone an A. Charter schools should be required to take the same OAA tests as well as the public schools. currently 1 in 5 charter schools are failing.

actually columbus has partnered with one charter school and opened their own online charter school. we also lease several of our closed buildings to charter schools.

Gblock;719896 wrote:original post
while i am not against charter schools as a concept. currently there isnt enough regulation and there are way too many charter schools in ohio specifically in columbus that are a straight up scam. every year there is at least one or two of them that shut down often without notice halfway through the year after making millions and send the kids back to ccs after recieving no education for the year and then they are counted with our scores after only being in our schools for a few weeks. kids tell stories of no books, no lunch, teachers who dont care what you do an just give everyone an A. Charter schools should be required to take the same OAA tests as well as the public schools. currently 1 in 5 charter schools are failing.

actually columbus has partnered with one charter school and opened their own online charter school. we also lease several of our closed buildings to charter schools.

read teh awsum's last post...you just got pwnt I think

teh awsum juan;719891 wrote:you notice how there are no ecot students in other counties in the state? i'm just guessing - but since the school is run out of franklin county the students are all registered here, even if they live, say, in cleveland

true...

Gblock;719899 wrote:true...

shouldn't you, you know, be teaching or something right now?

derek bomar;719898 wrote:read teh awsum's last post...you just got pwnt I think

not really columbus has the one of the largest districts and we send the a ton of studnets to charter schools...we send a lot of students to ecot as well as life skills...i work and deal with it all the time i didnt name every online school. you can believe what you want but im in the industry and you would not want to send your child there.

Gblock;719905 wrote:not really columbus has the one of the largest districts and we send the a ton of studnets to charter schools...we send a lot of students to ecot as well as life skills...i work and deal with it all the time i didnt name every online school. you can believe what you want but im in the industry and you would not want to send your child there.

well, i certainly wouldn't send them to columbus public schools

derek bomar;719902 wrote:shouldn't you, you know, be teaching or something right now?

i dont have a classroom i am on a 1 year assignment running a program called support through technology and academic re-engagement. the purpose of the program is to build an infrastructure of support for middle school students who need specific supports to develop knowledge, skills and attitudes that lead to better decision making and self-regulatory behavior. I also work with teachers on adapting their teaching styles and behavior to work more effectively in a very challenging environment.

I have meetings scheduled with parents all-day today and truancy court this afternoon. i am down at the courthouse waiting for the parents to show. thanks for asking tho.

teh awsum juan;719913 wrote:well, i certainly wouldn't send them to columbus public schools

we have some very good schools in our district and turn out some exceptional students.

http://www.columbus.k12.oh.us/applications/ENews.nsf/pages/ODE%202009%20Report%20Card%20Results?opendocument

Gblock;719920 wrote:i dont have a classroom i am on a 1 year assignment running a program called support through technology and academic re-engagement. the purpose of the program is to build an infrastructure of support for middle school students who need specific supports to develop knowledge, skills and attitudes that lead to better decision making and self-regulatory behavior. I also work with teachers on adapting their teaching styles and behavior to work more effectively in a very challenging environment.

I have meetings scheduled with parents all-day today and truancy court this afternoon. i am down at the courthouse waiting for the parents to show. thanks for asking tho.

just checking man

Writerbuckeye;719876 wrote:So it's the state's responsibility to clean up your local community's ills and educate your children?

What the hell ever happened to individual accountability?

I'd hope that local communities would have more pride than to sit back and let the world around them go to hell and their children not get a quality education.

At the same time, if your local community is too lazy and ineffectual to take care of its own problems, then perhaps you are getting what you deserve.

Harsh, I know. But I get tired of these arguments that say if the state (or federal government) doesn't step in, we have no hope.

It's a BS excuse and a cop out.

Ummmm, you do realize that its a state law that a child 18 and younger attend school, right? So, you say that this law is just another unfunded state mandate?

You make Rush look like the poster child for caring! I am all for personal responsibility, but these kids didnt put their parents or community in the shape it is in, why take away 1 part of their life that cares for them?

Who's Rush?

As a matter of fact, I don't like the law that keeps children in school until they're 18. Lower it to 16 and if they want to try and survive on their own or find a job, let them. At least they won't be disrupting classes where kids who want to be there can at least try to learn in peace.

I also wasn't advocating taking anything away from them, so your last comment is a bit confusing.

Maybe it was on another thread where ptown trojans wrote about how the Lucasville prison riots were do in part because of the injustice that prisoners felt were being done to them. How long until those that you wish to deprive, and yes you want to stop state funding of local schools meaning those that have continue to have, and the have nots will now have a majority of funding yanked from them, if you had your way! Copper thefts and meth labs are on the rise here in southeast Ohio, how long before the poor, whom you want to continue to lower their standards start moving into your area looking for scraps to steal, or drugs to peddle? I am not advocating handing everything over on a silver platter either, but there is a happy median!

You can't force kids who don't want to learn to be students, simply by imprisoning them in school. All that does is create distractions for students who are there to learn AND force teachers to become de facto prison guards instead of educators -- the kind of stuff they complain about (and justifiably so) having to do instead of teaching.

The drug problem is a whole 'nother issue and while related to lack of education cannot be solved by forcing kids to stay in school. You think disgruntled students don't turn into criminals and drug users, too? Of course they do. At least if they aren't in the schools, the schools are better places for those who want to be there.

It's clear the current system of throwing more money at schools to try and get better results does not work -- yet the costs keep rising exponentially with no appreciable return.

If the public schools are failing miserably, open things up more so that competing private schools can take their place and provide vouchers to help parents pay for the education. Perhaps if there's real competition for dollars (students), the schools will come up with some creative ways to improve matters. We aren't going to know by simply keep doing the same things that we do know aren't working.

I agree with students who dont wish to be in school is a distraction. My point is I dont think you appreciate the situations in some parts of our state. Not every area is economically stable, be it infrastructure or jobs. My point is, if you keep cutting state funding, which cuts local governments in impoverished areas ability to give its people oppurtunities to overcome hurdles. I dont think throwing money at schools or any service to low income areas is the solution, nor is taking that money away! Some people are happy just surviving, there will always be this situation in any society. Like I posted earlier, there are 2 private schools in our area, even if you gave out vouchers to our districts these schools would be quickcly overrun. Now you would say the market would dictate that more would be built, my argument would be why would someone build when our state and federal government changes on a whim! No one would invest the kind of money needed to start, thinking that there funding might not be there tomorrow.

Make no doubt, people will do whatever is necessary for them to survive, and most impoverished people dont pull themselves up by their bootstraps! They take or steal or other illegal activities to survive.

We need to go back to vocational programs...bodyshop, barber,chef,accounting, CPU IT...a lot of these kids would learn if they saw a purpose to it or if it was something they liked

Gblock;720389 wrote:We need to go back to vocational programs...bodyshop, barber,chef,accounting, CPU IT...a lot of these kids would learn if they saw a purpose to it or if it was something they liked

Just had this same conversation with a friend. It should start earlier, too. Perhaps as early as 7th grade (as an option).

Writerbuckeye;720476 wrote:Just had this same conversation with a friend. It should start earlier, too. Perhaps as early as 7th grade (as an option).

Spot on Writer. As much as people would like to kick these kids on the street, The reality is we should train them when we're spending the money on them ( while their education is mandatory). It might just get a bunch of them off of the government teat.