Yet there are still lots of people who want abstinence to be a focus in sex ed instead of things that you know, actually work/could happen or some would rather schools not teach it at all.

Clearly that's a great idea.

Whoo's your daddy? That question confuses many students in this school.

I Wear Pants;638801 wrote:Yet there are still lots of people who want abstinence to be a focus in sex ed instead of things that you know, actually work/could happen or some would rather schools not teach it at all.

Clearly that's a great idea.

Well, it DOES look to me to more we: provide free condoms at schools, more open sex-ed classes, schools and doctors keeping secrets from parents - the higher teenage pregnancy gets.

In MY eyes, that's not exactly trump, either.

It seems to me that as more time goes by, parents are becoming less involved and teenage pregnancies are rising. Who believes that "more" is better?

whats the movie based on a true story about the girls in massachusetts i think with 'the pregnancy pact'?

CenterBHSFan;638928 wrote:Well, it DOES look to me to more we: provide free condoms at schools, more open sex-ed classes, schools and doctors keeping secrets from parents - the higher teenage pregnancy gets.

In MY eyes, that's not exactly trump, either.

It seems to me that as more time goes by, parents are becoming less involved and teenage pregnancies are rising. Who believes that "more" is better?

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html

• By 2002, one-third of teens had not received any formal instruction about contraception.

• More than one in five adolescents (21% of females and 24% of males) received abstinence education without receiving instruction about birth control in 2002, compared with 8–9% in 1995.

• In 2002, only 62% of sexually experienced female teens had received instruction about contraception before they first had sex, compared with 72% in 1995.

• Only one out of three sexually experienced black males and fewer than half of sexually experienced black females had received instruction about contraception before the first time they had sex.

• One-quarter of sexually experienced teens had not received instruction about abstinence before first sex.


Yep, we should definitely not teach real sex ed. It's working really well.

Yep, we should definitely not teach real sex ed. It's working really well.

Who said that? I'm rereading the thread.... can't find it. Perhaps somebody changed their post?

Upon doing a simple and fast Google, there's many different forms of graphs and all with differing numbers. While you or I can't do anything about that besides researching and creating our own, I think it's safe to say that numbers will be different and can be provided to "prove" any argument you want.

Wonder what they particular graph would have looked like 20 years ago, with lesser pregnancies 20 years ago?

Find me some science that says that not teaching condom use, etc lowers pregnancies.

Ok, you're not understanding what I'm saying, and might not want to. That's fine, I can understand.

ccrunner609;638722 wrote:LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


Now I know from experience that as schools cut health curriculum, things like this occur. I would bet that the lack of proper education is a major factor. I bet they cut the health classes.

I never thought I would ever say this about a ccrunner post, but...

This.

CenterBHSFan;639188 wrote:Ok, you're not understanding what I'm saying, and might not want to. That's fine, I can understand.

What you're saying is that the education of the kids has had nothing to do with it and the pregnancies are a result of some societal decline in intelligence/parenting. I disagree with this.

If that's not what you're saying please type it...slowly so I can understand it.

ccrunner609;638722 wrote: Now I know from experience that as schools cut health curriculum, things like this occur. I would bet that the lack of proper education is a major factor. I bet they cut the health classes.

I agree with this too and the evidence supports that kids aren't getting informed on the risks of unprotected sex and the alternatives.

Two thoughts:

1) When I was coaching at Libbey an administrator said the majority of girls get pregnant on purpose, and then attempt to convince the government their baby is mentally handicapped to get a bigger check. A system that rewards failure? I don't get it.

2) 10% of my high school class now has kids. I went to Cardinal Stritch and graduated in 2008. What happened? One girl got pregnant accidentally and the rest of the idiot girls got jealous/envious of the Facebook pictures and intentionally got themselves pregnant at the nice ol' age of 19. Fucking dumb. But hey, they can post status updates about their "family" and their "princess." Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity.

How the fuck can you not know how pregnancy works by high school, even with a lack of formal education?

Tobias Fünke;639234 wrote:Two thoughts:

1) When I was coaching at Libbey an administrator said the majority of girls get pregnant on purpose, and then attempt to convince the government their baby is mentally handicapped to get a bigger check. A system that rewards failure? I don't get it.

2) 10% of my high school class now has kids. I went to Cardinal Stritch and graduated in 2008. What happened? One girl got pregnant accidentally and the rest of the idiot girls got jealous/envious of the Facebook pictures and intentionally got themselves pregnant at the nice ol' age of 19. Fucking dumb. But hey, they can post status updates about their "family" and their "princess." Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity.

ive got some facebook friends that do this too..nobody really fucking cares

Mulva;639294 wrote:How the fuck can you not know how pregnancy works by high school, even with a lack of formal education?

Agreed. Really, you are 15 and don't know that unprotected sex leads to a baby? You might be a ratard.

Pants, alright, I'll type slower and hopefully get my point across a little better lol

OK. Over the last 20 years or so, the sex-ed system has steadily increased in depth. And it just seems that the more we increase it or develope it even more explicitly, the higher the pregnancy numbers get. So, to increase it more just seems to be adding fuel to the fire.
I don't know any one thing that is to blame, whether its less parenting, social decline, sexually advanced tv, or whatever. I don't know.
But the track we're on just flat out isn't working. And I have to agree with the others who say that they don't believe teens know about sex and the consequences; barring some fanatical religious sect who practices clitectomies and castration.

CenterBHSFan;639972 wrote:Pants, alright, I'll type slower and hopefully get my point across a little better lol

OK. Over the last 20 years or so, the sex-ed system has steadily increased in depth. And it just seems that the more we increase it or develope it even more explicitly, the higher the pregnancy numbers get. So, to increase it more just seems to be adding fuel to the fire.
I don't know any one thing that is to blame, whether its less parenting, social decline, sexually advanced tv, or whatever. I don't know.
But the track we're on just flat out isn't working. And I have to agree with the others who say that they don't believe teens know about sex and the consequences; barring some fanatical religious sect who practices clitectomies and castration.

First of all, I agree that there are a number of reasons for the high rate of teen pregnancies with poor parenting being a major reason. That being said, contrary to what supporters suggest, research indicates that abstinence-only education only increases the pro-abstinence attitude in the short term and does not delay the onset of sexual activity. This can cause a problem because students then may not be aware of the contraceptions available, let alone the correct usage and their effectiveness that they would have likely gotten from an abstinence-plus type program. I think the fact that many are still having this argument shows how taboo the subject of sex really is in the United States, especially compared to Europe, where the teen pregnancy rate is much lower. Personally, until this becomes are more accepted topic in this country, many teenagers will continue to make these decisions without the proper knowledge of the repercussions that are possible to ensue.

Well I went to a private Catholic school, and we had sex education via health class and theology class. Once the theology teachers informed the class of the whole "you can only really get pregnant for like 48 hours of the month if you just keep track of your cycle".......sex increased by an estimated 1,000,000%. In a way, she encouraged all of the rampant sex because know we thought we were "educated" and knew how to not get pregnant.

Then one got pregnant, and then from there is was game over.

What they should really teach is the percentage of teen moms who live in poverty for a decade or so while they're raising a baby. Show the percentage of teen moms whose boyfriends leave once the kid arrives. Scare the shit out of them. I think we're afraid to say "it is wrong to have a kid before you're financially stable" because so many of their moms made the same mistake in the 1990's and were afraid to upset them.

elbuckeye28;640003 wrote:First of all, I agree that there are a number of reasons for the high rate of teen pregnancies with poor parenting being a major reason. That being said, contrary to what supporters suggest, research indicates that abstinence-only education only increases the pro-abstinence attitude in the short term and does not delay the onset of sexual activity. This can cause a problem because students then may not be aware of the contraceptions available, let alone the correct usage and their effectiveness that they would have likely gotten from an abstinence-plus type program. I think the fact that many are still having this argument shows how taboo the subject of sex really is in the United States, especially compared to Europe, where the teen pregnancy rate is much lower. Personally, until this becomes are more accepted topic in this country, many teenagers will continue to make these decisions without the proper knowledge of the repercussions that are possible to ensue.

I would be able to buy into that theory, except for one thing: If those same pregnant teens can manage to find their way to a clinic/doctor to have an abortion, then I would imagine they would have no problems asking those doctors some questions.
There's nurses in the schools and 20 different kinds of counsellors. Most teens in schools have friends that are already out of school they could ask.

Again, it just seems to me that the more we press on the gas concerning sex-ed, the higher the pregnancy rates become.

Why is that? Anybody have a clue?

elbuckeye28;640003 wrote:First of all, I agree that there are a number of reasons for the high rate of teen pregnancies with poor parenting being a major reason. That being said, contrary to what supporters suggest, research indicates that abstinence-only education only increases the pro-abstinence attitude in the short term and does not delay the onset of sexual activity. This can cause a problem because students then may not be aware of the contraceptions available, let alone the correct usage and their effectiveness that they would have likely gotten from an abstinence-plus type program. I think the fact that many are still having this argument shows how taboo the subject of sex really is in the United States, especially compared to Europe, where the teen pregnancy rate is much lower. Personally, until this becomes are more accepted topic in this country, many teenagers will continue to make these decisions without the proper knowledge of the repercussions that are possible to ensue.

Don't mention Europe. There are a bunch of people in our country who seem to believe that Europe is some downtrodden hell hole.

But there are obviously many things that contribute to the high rate of teen pregnancy in the US. I don't believe that better sex ed is one of those reasons. And the data supports that.

Do you have any reason to believe that people being educated about sex and contraceptives, etc is adding to the pregnancy rates? All the data shows that better education about these things leads to lower rates of pregnancy and STDs.

What I'm asking is why do you assume it's the more in-depth sex ed that is causing the higher rates and not poor sex-ed quality or economic trends or parenting or something else?

I Wear Pants;640359 wrote: What I'm asking is why do you assume it's the more in-depth sex ed that is causing the higher rates and not poor sex-ed quality or economic trends or parenting or something else?

What? I'm not assuming that at all. In fact, I was saying the exact opposite. I think more comprehensive sex ed programs(Abstinence-Plus) are better than the abstinence only.

I meant to quote Center for that part. Sorry for being retarded (me, not you).

90 pregnancies!! Holy shit. Must be something in the air...









Their legs.

My theory is this: safe sex education in schools encourages sex, to some degree, because now they know how to have it "safely". I bet a good number of these pregnancies result from the guy saying he has protection and either taking it off or never putting it on in the first place. Look at pro athletes - dudes don't like to wear condoms if they can help it.

I agree, scare the shit out of them is probably a better approach.

I Wear Pants;641090 wrote:I meant to quote Center for that part. Sorry for being retarded (me, not you).

What part? I think I'm a bit lost here.

But at any rate, I've repeated myself at least twice on this thread. I honestly don't think I'm gonna answer your questions in a way that you want me to because we are looking at the situation with different thoughts.
- you want to press on the gas some more
- I think that hasn't worked because pregnancies are growing even after we do

So as you can see, I don't think that repeating ourselves endlessly is going to create an agreement between us.
Ask me something new, please