O-Trap
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Jan 18, 2011 8:01pm
Side Note: Wow, from the postulation of anti-gay zealots to quibbling between Roman Catholic and Protestant over the virgin Mary.
LJ
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Jan 18, 2011 9:11pm
Take the religion conversation that has nothing to do with homosexuality to another thread.
O-Trap
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Jan 18, 2011 11:46pm
LJ;643263 wrote:Take the religion conversation that has nothing to do with homosexuality to another thread.
Let's be honest, LJ. This thread was ridiculous before the conversation turned.
J
jmog
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Jan 19, 2011 11:50am
Footwedge;643104 wrote:Well excuse us for thinking the mother of Jesus was a pretty special lady. Do your fellow Baptists think she was chopped liver?
Absolutely not, we believe she was a great woman, as the Bible says she was obviously good enough to have been found "favorable in the eyes of God".
We just also view her as a human being, even a sinful human being just like every other person in the Bible not named Jesus.
We also do not believe, as the Catholic Church does, that she stayed a virgin the rest of her life. She had other children according to the Bible.
I do not believe I once stated she was "chopped liver", but she was a wonderful human being, but not worthy of worship, only God is worthy of worship.
J
jmog
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Jan 19, 2011 11:52am
Footwedge;643110 wrote:You and other "real" Christians have taken many back handed slaps at the Catholic religion. Not all Christians think that only Bible verses are the vehicles to eternal life.
If you read my above statements you would realize that I have said it doesn't matter what denomination or type of church you attend, if you accept Jesus's sacrifice on the cross for your sins, in my opinion you are a Chrisitan. It has nothing to do with Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Mormon, etc.
I have NOT said Cathloics are not "real" Christians, so do NOT put those words in my mouth.
J
jmog
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Jan 19, 2011 11:54am
Exactly, very well put. An extraordinary woman for sure, but still a sinful human being just like everyone else in the Bible not named Jesus.O-Trap;643164 wrote:Not a Baptist, but a Protestant (of the Grace Brethren Fellowship), so I'll chime in.
Theologically speaking, it is believed that she was a regular Jewish woman like any other, chosen for a very special responsibility, and who obeyed faithfully when given the task of bearing and raising the incarnate Son. Apart from her responsibility, however, she was a young Jewish girl living in Coele-Syria during the mid-to-late part of the Second Temple Period.
It's not an either or. She was "special" in that she was given a very important, very wonderful gift ... but that was not of her own accord, or because of anything she did. In terms of her fallibility, humanity, sin nature, etc. ... she was just like you and I. Doesn't mean she's chopped liver. Her role was vital, and the fact that she carried it out makes her significant, but she was merely the willing instrument to carry it out. Same as Moses, Avram, Gideon, David, and a host of other Old Testament people ... ordinary people given extraordinary responsibilities and gifts.