gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Jan 5, 2011 12:14pm
Announcement is today at 2pm.
Who do you think is getting in this year? Does Blyleven get in? Should he? One has to think Alomar is a shoe-in this year after missing last year.
Who do you think is getting in this year? Does Blyleven get in? Should he? One has to think Alomar is a shoe-in this year after missing last year.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jan 5, 2011 2:03pm
Alomar and Blyleven were elected.
osu45804
Posts: 6,188
Jan 5, 2011 2:05pm
Larkin got 62%
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Jan 5, 2011 2:35pm
Those are the two I figured would make it.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 5, 2011 3:39pm
nice to see Bert "be home " Blyleven finally get in--kudos to both guys
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Jan 5, 2011 3:48pm
Alomar was a no brainer. Bagwell deserved it but perhaps the PED issue hurt him despite no evidence that he participated.
Blyleven deserves to be in the hall of very good. Great stats, long career...yet people back in the day didn't even know about him.
Blyleven deserves to be in the hall of very good. Great stats, long career...yet people back in the day didn't even know about him.
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Jan 5, 2011 4:04pm
Roberto Alomar getting in is a fucking joke
CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Jan 5, 2011 4:12pm
Ty Webb;627052 wrote:Roberto Alomar getting in is a fucking joke
Que? He got the most votes. He was the highlight of the class. He had 10 gold gloves for god's sake.
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Jan 5, 2011 4:13pm
Has nothing to do with his playing ability...
CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Jan 5, 2011 4:23pm
Ty Webb;627062 wrote:Has nothing to do with his playing ability...
What are gold gloves given for then if not for playing ability?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 5, 2011 4:28pm
Larkin is a lock for 2012. An EXTREMELY weak first year eligible class (Bernie Williams is the best of the bunch) will help out a bit.
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Jan 5, 2011 4:49pm
Blyleven...well-deserved.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 5, 2011 5:11pm
vball10set;627027 wrote:nice to see Bert "be home by eleven" Blyeven finally get in--kudos to both guys
It's Bert "be home" Blyleven.
SMH at screwing up the nickname
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Sonofanump
Jan 5, 2011 6:42pm
I guess I still do not get Jack Morris not being in. Huge oversight IMHO.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 5, 2011 6:52pm
Good to see Blyleven get...his curveball was just not fair....what he have 3800 K and 58 shoutouts....decent
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 5, 2011 6:54pm
Alomar was one of my all-time favorite players. IMO th best defensive 2nd baseman ever, one of the best baserunners I've ever seen and a very very good hitter.
As for his run in with the spitting...he and the ump are close friends and he did a fundraiser for numerous years following to raise money for the umps sick kid.
As for his run in with the spitting...he and the ump are close friends and he did a fundraiser for numerous years following to raise money for the umps sick kid.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jan 5, 2011 8:33pm
As far as Alomar goes, I heard on the radio today that his range factor was below average every year he played. He was great when he could get to balls, he just didn't get to that many.
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Jan 5, 2011 8:35pm
karen lotz;627390 wrote:As far as Alomar goes, I heard on the radio today that his range factor was below average every year he played. He was great when he could get to balls, he just didn't get to that many.
I actually heard he got to a lot of balls. (Drum-roll please--- tish!)
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jan 5, 2011 8:40pm
Little Danny;627392 wrote:I actually heard he got to a lot of balls. (Drum-roll please--- tish!)
Could explain this...
Ironman92;627238 wrote:Alomar was one of my all-time favorite players.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 5, 2011 9:14pm
If his range factor went down each year.......shouldn't his SB have done the same.
Throw whatever stats you want for fielding....Alomar was a baseball player....one of the very best all-around players...and an unbelievable fielder.
Throw whatever stats you want for fielding....Alomar was a baseball player....one of the very best all-around players...and an unbelievable fielder.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 5, 2011 9:20pm
His range factor not only didn't go down every year but his range factor per game and per 9 innings was better from age 28-32 than it was from age 23-26.....it's also probably not a coincidence that from age 23-26 he was the best 2nd baseman in baseball for the Toronto Blue Jays....playing on some of the fastest turf anywhere.......before and after he was on grass......range factor factor...I'd say yes.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jan 5, 2011 9:21pm
I didn't say it went down every year. Compared to all second baseman, his range factor was below average every year.
I'm not saying he isn't a HOFer or anything like that, just sharing something I heard that I wouldn't have guessed.
I'm not saying he isn't a HOFer or anything like that, just sharing something I heard that I wouldn't have guessed.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 5, 2011 9:35pm
I just don't buy it....gotta be a flaw in the RF stat which I never really liked. Alomar had incredible instincts was incredibly intellignet on where players hit and was a tremendous base stealer so he obviously had at least slightly better than average speed.
My bad on the reading comprehension......but turf lowered his RF compared to the grass??? what's up there? is the RF like the HR per AB? Many things go into it.
Doesn't matter......nothing will change my mind. I watched it for over a decade. HOF....good enough.
My bad on the reading comprehension......but turf lowered his RF compared to the grass??? what's up there? is the RF like the HR per AB? Many things go into it.
Doesn't matter......nothing will change my mind. I watched it for over a decade. HOF....good enough.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Jan 5, 2011 9:50pm
Glad to see Blylevyn finally get in
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jan 5, 2011 9:57pm
Ironman92;627461 wrote:I just don't buy it....gotta be a flaw in the RF stat which I never really liked. Alomar had incredible instincts was incredibly intellignet on where players hit and was a tremendous base stealer so he obviously had at least slightly better than average speed.
My bad on the reading comprehension......but turf lowered his RF compared to the grass??? what's up there? is the RF like the HR per AB? Many things go into it.
Doesn't matter......nothing will change my mind. I watched it for over a decade. HOF....good enough.
I would think the turf would lower his range factor. A faster surface means the ball gets on him or past him faster. If the ball is getting through holes quicker, wouldn't that make it more difficult for him to get to them, which would then technically mean his range suffers? It might not be the most accurate thing due to the difference between turf and grass, but it is what I heard.