Holmgren has a bit of respect around the league so he could be considered somewhat of a "draw." Even a Garcon would open up the offense.SportsAndLady;1027694 wrote:Just call me skeptical I guess..I just don't think a GM is going to convince a bunch of free agents to come here, but we'll see I guess..
Yeah, but what you don't read is how much their seeing eye dogs disagree.BR1986FB;1027695 wrote:You'd be surprised how many people over there defend Pashos as "not that bad."
Carolina 2010 total offense: 32ndSportsAndLady;1027659 wrote:Hell look at Newton and Carolina this year..7-9 at best and they have all those weapons
Steve Smith is also healthy this season.Mulva;1027895 wrote:Carolina 2010 total offense: 32nd
Carolina 2011 total offense: 4th
The only "weapons" added besides Cam Newton were Naanee (#3 WR) and Shockey (backup TE). They're (at least) 5 wins better than a year ago.
If the Browns post a top 5 offense next season they would be Super Bowl contenders. That isn't going to happen, but there's no reason that a significant upgrade at QB couldn't result in 8-9 wins.
They wouldn't be super bowl contenders, but they'd compete in the division.
Mulva;1027895 wrote:Carolina 2010 total offense: 32nd
Carolina 2011 total offense: 4th
The only "weapons" added besides Cam Newton were Naanee (#3 WR) and Shockey (backup TE). They're (at least) 5 wins better than a year ago.
If the Browns post a top 5 offense next season they would be Super Bowl contenders. That isn't going to happen, but there's no reason that a significant upgrade at QB couldn't result in 8-9 wins.
They wouldn't be super bowl contenders, but they'd compete in the division.
Mulva;1027910 wrote:If they're loaded with weapons, but didn't add weapons, that means they were loaded with weapons last year too. And they finished dead last in total offense. It was almost totally because their QB play sucked.
at first when we were out of contention for luck i blew it of about trading a shit ton of picks to trade up and get him. but as the season draws to a close and st louis is in position for the number one spot it feels more and more realistic of us trading up to get him, and im actually warming up to the idea. we could get us one or two receivers in the free agency period and grab some other pieces. the framework is there for our defense and our offense could be drastically increased here in the next 4 months. but know our luck, colts will lose and draft luck, rgIII won't come out and return to school. its cleveland its the way shit happens around here. but maybe just maybe the cards will fall our way this year.DeyDurkie5;1027952 wrote:andrew luck! andrew luck! andrew luck!
shook_17;1028037 wrote:lol braylon edwards has been cut by the 49ers
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7392483/braylon-edwards-says-released-san-francisco-49ers
Those were my initial thoughts as well. Fuck him.ytownfootball;1028045 wrote:The best part is he had to tweet the news himself as no one gave enough of a fuck in the first place.
They aren't that much better. Smith was hampered by injury last year, but you act like he missed 10 games. He was on the field, he just wasn't 100%. The bigger issue was that he didn't have anyone to get him the ball.SportsAndLady;1027934 wrote:You don't think the weapons on the panthers this year were different than last years team?
Hell, just Steve Smith healthy again is all I need to prove that point
If you watched any games last year and any games this year, there is a CLEAR night and day difference betwen 2010 Steve Smith and 2011 Steve Smith. The guy's going to be in Pro Bowl consideration this year, and he's a pro bowl caliber WR, just was hampered by injuries all last year.Mulva;1028172 wrote:They aren't that much better. Smith was hampered by injury last year, but you act like he missed 10 games. He was on the field, he just wasn't 100%. The bigger issue was that he didn't have anyone to get him the ball.
My point is, Carolina had Clausen and Moore post QBRs of 55 and 58. Sometimes all it takes is a competent QB to make average weapons look a little better than average. Shockey (at this point in his career), Lafell, and Naanee aren't elite weapons. Smith is a beast, and the Williams/Stewart combo has always been good - but Steve Smith going from 80% to 100% healthy doesn't jump you from dead last in offense to top 5.
It's not crazy to think that a playmaking QB could make the Browns offense a lot better. They obviously don't have the pieces to be elite, but they have enough to not be a bottom 5 offense in the league with the right guy running the show.
Rep!DeyDurkie5;1028232 wrote:"Mike Holmgren says things have changed in Cleveland. But the Browns are 9-22 under his leadership."
-James Walker
John Telich already mentioned a potential landing destination to be Cleveland. He'd be the only legit vertical threat on the roster. Too bad he can't catch balls....at least "foot" balls.shook_17;1028037 wrote:lol braylon edwards has been cut by the 49ers
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7392483/braylon-edwards-says-released-san-francisco-49ers
thatd be interestingBR1986FB;1028382 wrote:John Telich already mentioned a potential landing destination to be Cleveland. He'd be the only legit vertical threat on the roster. Too bad he can't catch balls....at least "foot" balls.
you are reading too much into it, as usual..just posting hte quotePick6;1028605 wrote:You guys want Holmgren gone? You are just asking to start over again. The Browns will get there in due time under him.