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Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM
DeyDurkie5;1020035 wrote:I honestly don't see a browns win the rest of the way. They will be at 4-12, in that draft range of 4-6, and it will be interesting to see who is there. Some of the scenarios that could be happening with the picks will essentially tell us what the front office wants to do with this team. Most important draft for this team in quiet some time, maybe ever.
That's said every year.
Dec 19, 2011 12:26pm
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Dec 19, 2011 12:27 PM
sleeper;1020036 wrote:That's said every year.
Of course it is, probably by every fan of every team. But I'm pretty sure this draft is the most important for the future of the team.
Dec 19, 2011 12:27pm
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Dec 19, 2011 12:29 PM
like_that;1020031 wrote:If the Browns stay at 4 wins, and the other team's dont win, they are looking at the 4-6 pick. Teams potentially ahead of them.

Indy (locked to be ahead of Browns): probably will want Luck.
Rams (could win 2 more to make it interesting..doubtful): Already have their QB.
Minny (could win 2 more to make it interesting..doubtful): Drafted their QB, but would they draft another?
Jacksonville (4 wins): Same as minny.
Tampa (4 wins): They have Josh Freeman.

Barkley could fall right into place for the Browns. Either that or, there are a few teams that would be right behind the Browns (redskins and dolphins), that might be willing to be trade raped for Barkley. That would be a huge win for the Browns imo if they could pull a trade off and get another 1st rd pick. They would only be falling to the 10th pick at worst (for the moment).
JAX & Indy play each other so something has to give. If Indy wins they could be tied with the Rams for the #1 spot. Who has the advantage on SOS? If it's the Rams do they trade Bradford & take Luck or do they trade the pick?
Dec 19, 2011 12:29pm
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Dec 19, 2011 12:36 PM
BR1986FB;1020043 wrote:JAX & Indy play each other so something has to give. If Indy wins they could be tied with the Rams for the #1 spot. Who has the advantage on SOS? If it's the Rams do they trade Bradford & take Luck or do they trade the pick?
I hope either Jags wins, or the Rams win another game. I don't want them to be in position where the Browns trade 3 first round picks to get Luck.
Dec 19, 2011 12:36pm
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Dec 19, 2011 2:05 PM
Indy is not winning another game this year and is not trading the #1 pick. Just what I heard.
Dec 19, 2011 2:05pm
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Dec 19, 2011 2:06 PM
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Mind if I get waaaaaay ahead of myself?
Let's say the NFL draft were tomorrow (Quick -- get the combine going this afternoon!), and let's say the two juniors who haven't announced their intentions (Matt Barkley, Landry Jones) both enter. I could see the following play out, despite Jones' draft stock slipping because of a poor end of the season:
NFL Draft 2012
Possible QB Picks
Pick - Team (Record) Player, Pos., School
1 - Indianapolis Colts (1-13) Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
5 - Cleveland Browns (4-10) Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
7 - Washington Redskins (5-9) Matt Barkley, QB, USC
9 - Miami Dolphins (5-9) Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma
Do I think this is how the draft is going to play out? Who knows? And I definitely would rather see Cleveland keep Colt McCoy and draft multiple players to put around him for the future. But I do not share an office with Tom Heckert; nor does Mike Holmgren seek my counsel. I'm just projecting one way the draft might go.
Keep in mind that Seattle, one of seven 7-7 teams right now, also will likely draft a quarterback high in April, and the Seahawks have an aggressive GM, John Schneider, and coach, Pete Carroll. Don't be surprised to see the Seahawks love one of the four prospects and try to move up to get him.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/12/19/Week15/index.html#ixzz1h0cxG37f[/COLOR][/LEFT]
Dec 19, 2011 2:06pm
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Dec 19, 2011 2:09 PM
BR1986FB;1020156 wrote:[LEFT]***
Mind if I get waaaaaay ahead of myself?
Let's say the NFL draft were tomorrow (Quick -- get the combine going this afternoon!), and let's say the two juniors who haven't announced their intentions (Matt Barkley, Landry Jones) both enter. I could see the following play out, despite Jones' draft stock slipping because of a poor end of the season:
NFL Draft 2012
Possible QB Picks
Pick - Team (Record) Player, Pos., School
1 - Indianapolis Colts (1-13) Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
5 - Cleveland Browns (4-10) Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
7 - Washington Redskins (5-9) Matt Barkley, QB, USC
9 - Miami Dolphins (5-9) Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma

Do I think this is how the draft is going to play out? Who knows? And I definitely would rather see Cleveland keep Colt McCoy and draft multiple players to put around him for the future. But I do not share an office with Tom Heckert; nor does Mike Holmgren seek my counsel. I'm just projecting one way the draft might go.
Keep in mind that Seattle, one of seven 7-7 teams right now, also will likely draft a quarterback high in April, and the Seahawks have an aggressive GM, John Schneider, and coach, Pete Carroll. Don't be surprised to see the Seahawks love one of the four prospects and try to move up to get him.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/12/19/Week15/index.html#ixzz1h0cxG37f[/COLOR][/LEFT]
Sorry, but I don't see Landry a top 10 pick lmao. Anyway, it seems like the 4-5 position is a prime position to trade rape a team. I really hope it happens. I can see dumbass Carrol giving up 3 first rounders to get in the position that the Browns are in.
Dec 19, 2011 2:09pm
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Dec 19, 2011 2:14 PM
I really hope the browns don't waste a High pick on RGIII.....:rolleyes:
Dec 19, 2011 2:14pm
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Dec 19, 2011 2:16 PM
I'd much rather have Barkley than RG111
Dec 19, 2011 2:16pm
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Dec 19, 2011 2:18 PM
sleeper;1020167 wrote:I'd much rather have Barkley than RG111
Agreed.
Dec 19, 2011 2:18pm
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Dec 19, 2011 3:05 PM
like_that;1020158 wrote:Sorry, but I don't see Landry a top 10 pick lmao. Anyway, it seems like the 4-5 position is a prime position to trade rape a team. I really hope it happens. I can see dumbass Carrol giving up 3 first rounders to get in the position that the Browns are in.
Yeah. I read on a bowl preview that Landry hasn't thrown A SINGLE TOUCHDOWN PASS since Ryan Broyles got hurt. If you're going for elite status coming out for the draft, I don't know that "impotent after top receiver/security blanket goes bye-bye" is a good thing to have on the resume. I mean, he could bust out at the combine and wind up being horribly overrated by some team, but right now, not impressive at all.
Dec 19, 2011 3:05pm
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Dec 19, 2011 3:31 PM
I think there's a lot of speculation out there that the Rams might fire their head coach, and if whoever comes in doesn't approve of Bradford, I don't think they hesitate to trade away Sam and draft one of the "Big 3".

As for Landry Jones, if Cleveland draft him, well...that would suck. That's crazy that he's not thrown a single TD pass since Broyles got hurt.

Can you imagine the drama if RGIII, Barkley, and Jones all say they're coming back?

A QB no one is really talking about, that I like quite a bit at the next level is Ryan Tannehill from Texas A&M. I think with a decent combine, he jumps ahead of Jones on all the boards, most already do. The kid can make plays with his feet, is accurate enough to play in the WCO, and has excellent size. (6'4 220+) He can make plays with his feet, and squares his shoulders on the run before the throw. His release is up and down, but that can be fixed, although I'm not sure Shurmur is the one to do it.

His stats aren't overly impressive, but I think he'll be really good at the next level - better than Jones, at least. I know RGIII and Andrew Luck are probably more polished for the next level, but I think this kid is an improvement over Colt, and has really good pro potential.
Dec 19, 2011 3:31pm
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Dec 19, 2011 4:22 PM
What about Kellen Moore later in the draft? Replace the old winning-est QB in college football history with the new one. LOL
Dec 19, 2011 4:22pm
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Dec 19, 2011 4:25 PM
OhioStatePride2003;1020242 wrote:
A QB no one is really talking about, that I like quite a bit at the next level is Ryan Tannehill from Texas A&M. I think with a decent combine, he jumps ahead of Jones on all the boards, most already do. The kid can make plays with his feet, is accurate enough to play in the WCO, and has excellent size. (6'4 220+) He can make plays with his feet, and squares his shoulders on the run before the throw. His release is up and down, but that can be fixed, although I'm not sure Shurmur is the one to do it.
Meh, dont know. He is a converted WR. From what I seen from A&M this year they were a pretty run heavy team. The QB made some plays with his feet, but I dont recall seeing too many amazing throws. He had a pretty good WR to throw too as well.
Dec 19, 2011 4:25pm
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Dec 19, 2011 4:39 PM
we could go get Bauserman so he can complete passes to us fans in the stands. :p
Dec 19, 2011 4:39pm
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Dec 19, 2011 4:40 PM
If we are going to sack up and get a qb, then get a franchise qb. Trade everything to get luck, or hope Barkley falls to you. You only go after qb's in the later rounds if you have that franchise qb in place.
Dec 19, 2011 4:40pm
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Dec 19, 2011 4:44 PM
exactly we don't have time right now for 4th round project qb's.
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Dec 19, 2011 4:53 PM
Pick6;1020301 wrote:Meh, dont know. He is a converted WR. From what I seen from A&M this year they were a pretty run heavy team. The QB made some plays with his feet, but I dont recall seeing too many amazing throws. He had a pretty good WR to throw too as well.
I'm not saying that he's on the same level as Luck, RGIII or Barkley, but just throwing it out there. You never know what's going to happen between now and the draft. Like I said, his stock could rise with a nice combine, but this kid can make all the throws and can throw a 30-yard precision pass on the run. He also has no problem throwing the out-routes. He has an NFL arm, and I know that he's a converted WR, but came to A&M as a QB. He's an unselfish, smart player, that will do anything he can to help his team win. Picture Colt McCoy in a QB's body, and an NFL arm.

In two seasons as a QB at A&M: 452/725 (62%) 5053 Yards 41 TD 20 INT. Again, not quite the level of Luck, Griffin, or Barkley, but definitely more serviceable than what we have now, imo. Plus, he'll likely come at a cheaper price. If we could nab him with our second, first-round pick (with a good combine, mind you) and a legit OL, or, WR prospect with our first pick, I'd be happy.

A lot of this off-season is going to comedown to free agency, imo. I know this draft is important, but like was said before, every draft is important. I think for the likes of Heckert, Holmgren to distinguish themselves from the other bozos we've had in the front office previously, they'll have to really attack the free agency wire. Which, if I'm not mistaken, they've said they're going to do.

Part of me thinks a WR prospect, like Blackmon, is almost a must, mostly because there's not much to be had in the FA pool this coming off-season, but I really really want another "stud" o-lineman to play with Mack and Thomas each and every Sunday.
Dec 19, 2011 4:53pm
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Dec 19, 2011 4:57 PM
DeyDurkie5;1020325 wrote:If we are going to sack up and get a qb, then get a franchise qb. Trade everything to get luck, or hope Barkley falls to you. You only go after qb's in the later rounds if you have that franchise qb in place.
I fully understand what you're saying, but I think this kid is a franchise type QB, he just really hasn't been given that chance yet. We'll see. Obviously I'd be much happier with Luck, Griffin, or Barkley, but say those three stay? Is Jones the "franchise QB" of this draft? Not in my opinion, but I think with a nice off-season up to the draft, Tannehill can be. We're on the same page here Durkie, promise, I know how bad we need that franchise guy, but I'm also not a huge fan of forfeiting pretty much your entire draft for one guy.
Dec 19, 2011 4:57pm
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Dec 19, 2011 5:58 PM
I will say that yesterdays performance by Seneca Wallace only confirmed to me, even more, that they need to move on from Colt McCoy.


Did Wallace light up the scoreboard or the stat sheet? No, he essentially put up "Colt McCoy-like numbers" which is a PROBLEM. When your backup comes in, puts up the same type numbers with the same supporting cast you ARE replaceable.


Plus, there's no way in Hell that McCoy makes that throw that Wallace completed on the 76 yard TD to Greg Little. McCoy has tried to make that throw a few times this year and it usually results in an interception.


Next....
Dec 19, 2011 5:58pm
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Dec 19, 2011 6:06 PM
BR1986FB;1020401 wrote:I will say that yesterdays performance by Seneca Wallace only confirmed to me, even more, that they need to move on from Colt McCoy.


Did Wallace light up the scoreboard or the stat sheet? No, he essentially put up "Colt McCoy-like numbers" which is a PROBLEM. When your backup comes in, puts up the same type numbers with the same supporting cast you ARE replaceable.
AGREED!

Plus, there's no way in Hell that McCoy makes that throw that Wallace completed on the 76 yard TD to Greg Little. McCoy has tried to make that throw a few times this year and it usually results in an interception.


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He would've thrown that ball into the ground or out of bounds.
Dec 19, 2011 6:06pm
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Dec 19, 2011 6:22 PM
BR1986FB;1020401 wrote:I will say that yesterdays performance by Seneca Wallace only confirmed to me, even more, that they need to move on from Colt McCoy.


Did Wallace light up the scoreboard or the stat sheet? No, he essentially put up "Colt McCoy-like numbers" which is a PROBLEM. When your backup comes in, puts up the same type numbers with the same supporting cast you ARE replaceable.


Plus, there's no way in Hell that McCoy makes that throw that Wallace completed on the 76 yard TD to Greg Little. McCoy has tried to make that throw a few times this year and it usually results in an interception.


Next....
That was a pretty damn good throw. I agree. Saw McCoy try to do that vs the Bengals, and it was in fact an int.

I know Seneca isn't all that, but I still don't understand why Failhome was starting over him last year.
Dec 19, 2011 6:22pm
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Dec 19, 2011 6:43 PM
BR1986FB;1020401 wrote:I will say that yesterdays performance by Seneca Wallace only confirmed to me, even more, that they need to move on from Colt McCoy.


Did Wallace light up the scoreboard or the stat sheet? No, he essentially put up "Colt McCoy-like numbers" which is a PROBLEM. When your backup comes in, puts up the same type numbers with the same supporting cast you ARE replaceable.
I think most of us can agree that Wallace is one of the better back ups in the league. Solid player.

I can spin it this way...maybe there is a "glass ceiling" no matter what QB is out there for the Browns. You're right, Wallace shouldn't put up the same numbers as McCoy, but maybe McCoy is putting up as good of numbers as he can with the talent around him?
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Dec 20, 2011 5:22 AM
Pick6;1020438 wrote:I think most of us can agree that Wallace is one of the better back ups in the league. Solid player.

I can spin it this way...maybe there is a "glass ceiling" no matter what QB is out there for the Browns. You're right, Wallace shouldn't put up the same numbers as McCoy, but maybe McCoy is putting up as good of numbers as he can with the talent around him?
I don't know about that. Wallace left some yards/points on the field himself. As one example, Greg Little was wide open on one play down the sideline and Wallace locked in on his first option. Can't remember if it was complete or not but a pass to Little might have been 6.

I have no doubt they need more playmakers. Heckert admitted this himself but neither McCoy or Wallace is the guy to build around. I DO want Wallace as a backup though.

As a side note, I'm starting to warm up to the play of Chris Gocong. Dude has been a fucking beast in run support and rushing the passer as of late. Add another OLB along with a RDE and this front 7 should be very solid.
Dec 20, 2011 5:22am
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Dec 20, 2011 8:24 AM
BR1986FB;1021382 wrote:I don't know about that. Wallace left some yards/points on the field himself. As one example, Greg Little was wide open on one play down the sideline and Wallace locked in on his first option. Can't remember if it was complete or not but a pass to Little might have been 6.

I have no doubt they need more playmakers. Heckert admitted this himself but neither McCoy or Wallace is the guy to build around. I DO want Wallace as a backup though.

As a side note, I'm starting to warm up to the play of Chris Gocong. Dude has been a fucking beast in run support and rushing the passer as of late. Add another OLB along with a RDE and this front 7 should be very solid.
one example completely destroys your perception of seneca? No one can win in your eyes can they br? Hell you would find a way to pick brady apart if he was on the browns.
Dec 20, 2011 8:24am