OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Dec 28, 2010 4:18pm
Its not half the season. Last time I checked there are 13 games with a bowl in the season so he would still get 8 games in. I think Posey could improve his status as can Adams. The problem is someone needs to throw it to Posey and I am not sure who will be throwing it next year and how good they will be.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 28, 2010 4:18pm
Did he promise to come back next year for football? I thought I heard him say he promises to come back and finish his degree from OSU which he could do without playing football next year. He could have said he'd be back to play, I had it on in the background.
Red Saul
Posts: 157
Dec 28, 2010 4:27pm
He said he wants to be a leader on and off the field, so going on that alone I think he will be back for football.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Dec 28, 2010 4:37pm
At this point, I've come to several conclusions: (1) this rule is stupid beyond belief; (2) the punishment is way out of line for the offense; (3) so long as the players involved continue to be good citizens, at OSU or beyond, I am fine with whatever decisions they make; (4) Ohio State will be fine next year, with or without these guys, including Pryor, and will still challenge for the Big Ten title, if not win it; (5) if the NCAA truly wants to stop people from selling stuff that's given to them and is supposedly theirs, then keep it in a storage container someplace until after they graduate. If you're gonna act like a nanny, go all the way and take the toys away so there's no temptation to be "bad boys".
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 28, 2010 4:39pm
j_crazy;615774 wrote:which is why he's now playing CF somewhere. White was a tremendous athlete and an awesome talent. his mind wasn't sharp enough to play QB in the NFL and his body was not conducive to take the punishment.
That wasn't my evaluation though, it was the guys who make the $$ to evaluate players. I am just saying the reason White went so high is that he absolutely wowed scouts at the combine with his ability to sling to football
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charliehustle14
Posts: 2,224
Dec 28, 2010 5:07pm
If anyone missed it you can find the presser on the front page of http://theozone.net/
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 28, 2010 6:13pm
Writerbuckeye;615997 wrote:(2) the punishment is way out of line for the offense
Did you feel the same when AJ Green was suspended for the first 4 games of this season?
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Dec 28, 2010 6:17pm
karen lotz;616102 wrote:Did you feel the same when AJ Green was suspended for the first 4 games of this season?
Didnt AJ Green deals involve an agent?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 28, 2010 6:22pm
KR1245;616104 wrote:Didnt AJ Green deals involve an agent?
He sold a game worn jersey, which is what he was suspended for.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Dec 28, 2010 6:25pm
karen lotz;616110 wrote:He sold a game worn jersey, which is what he was suspended for.
Yeah, to an agent. Thats the difference
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 28, 2010 6:27pm
KR1245;616111 wrote:Yeah, to an agent. Thats the difference
No, there isn't a difference. They both sold stuff that they had been told not to sell. Who they sell it to doesn't matter.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Dec 28, 2010 6:40pm
karen lotz;616112 wrote:No, there isn't a difference. They both sold stuff that they had been told not to sell. Who they sell it to doesn't matter.
I think the NCAA might look at it differently. I dont know all of the NCAA's ruled and regulations but I know that anytime you see the word "agent" involved its not a good thing. Improper contact with an agent is a big deal with the NCAA. Wasnt Green also involved in the Miami party that all the UNC players were at?
The kids made a mistake and they apologized for it, I expect the suspension to be reduced before next season.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 28, 2010 6:40pm
karen lotz;616112 wrote:No, there isn't a difference. They both sold stuff that they had been told not to sell. Who they sell it to doesn't matter.
This. Play with semantics all you want, the agent wasn't the bad part it was the selling.
I thought Green's punishment was incredibly excessive. 1 or 2 games should be the punishment, these kids are selling their stuff.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Dec 28, 2010 6:46pm
lhslep134;616117 wrote:This. Play with semantics all you want, the agent wasn't the bad part it was the selling.
I thought Green's punishment was incredibly excessive. 1 or 2 games should be the punishment, these kids are selling their stuff.
I agree that selling the stuff is the issue but anytime you get an agent involved it opens up a whole new can of worms
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 28, 2010 7:13pm
lhslep134;616117 wrote:This. Play with semantics all you want, the agent wasn't the bad part it was the selling.
I thought Green's punishment was incredibly excessive. 1 or 2 games should be the punishment, these kids are selling their stuff.
I don't understand what is so hard to understand. It doesn't matter if it is their stuff. It's against the rules to sell it, like it or not. You may think the rule is bad, but it is still the rule.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Dec 28, 2010 9:07pm
imex99;614662 wrote:I don't agree with them going pro at all..... Only person who might would be Boom(bc of RB depth next year) because more than likely the suspensions will only be 2 or 3 games at the max if all the players can get the money to pay back to charity!
More than likely? You're out of your mind. They didn't reduce AJ Green's suspension, they won't reduce these 5 Buckeyes either.
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Dec 28, 2010 9:44pm
Writerbuckeye;615997 wrote:At this point, I've come to several conclusions: (1) this rule is stupid beyond belief; (2) the punishment is way out of line for the offense; (3) so long as the players involved continue to be good citizens, at OSU or beyond, I am fine with whatever decisions they make; (4) Ohio State will be fine next year, with or without these guys, including Pryor, and will still challenge for the Big Ten title, if not win it; (5) if the NCAA truly wants to stop people from selling stuff that's given to them and is supposedly theirs, then keep it in a storage container someplace until after they graduate. If you're gonna act like a nanny, go all the way and take the toys away so there's no temptation to be "bad boys".
Agreed on all 5 points there.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 28, 2010 9:51pm
ccrunner609;616379 wrote:by your idea here then the bucks should only get 4 games. Seems to be getting more punishment for the same crime even though I think its a lesser crime then Greens.
Wrong, as usual.
The NCAA said that the suspensions would have been four games, but an additional game was added because the players did not immediately disclose the violations when they became aware that they were illegal.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 28, 2010 10:02pm
How come there was no outrage about this rule before TP and the boys got caught? I don't remember anybody knocking the door down when AJ Green got busted.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Dec 28, 2010 10:57pm
See below. Will you stop pretending like you have a clue about college football.ccrunner609;616379 wrote:by your idea here then the bucks should only get 4 games. Seems to be getting more punishment for the same crime even though I think its a lesser crime then Greens.
They could of went out and got some booster to buy that stuff for $30,000 if they wanted to. They went cheap.
karen lotz;616387 wrote:Wrong, as usual.
jordo212000;616402 wrote:How come there was no outrage about this rule before TP and the boys got caught? I don't remember anybody knocking the door down when AJ Green got busted.
Probably b/c 5 players (4 starters) from a top ten team > one player from irrelevant Georgia
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 28, 2010 11:24pm
dwccrew;616465 wrote:
Probably b/c 5 players (4 starters) from a top ten team > one player from irrelevant Georgia
but on outside lines today everybody thought the OSU players were getting preferential treatment over other players..
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Dec 29, 2010 12:43am
ccrunner609;616490 wrote:what about my post says anything? GTFOH, you are the only one here that is acting like you anything.
What? I forgot I am exchanging with a gym teacher here.
Your post says you don't have a clue. You stated that the crime was the same yet the Buckeyes were getting a more severe punishment. This is wrong, as Karen Lotz pointed out. The Bucks got the extra game suspension because they didn't disclose the information once they were aware it was illegal. What don't you understand?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 29, 2010 9:09am
dwccrew;616534 wrote:What don't you understand?
I think "everything" would just about cover it.
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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Dec 29, 2010 2:35pm
That looks very much like Pryor except that Pryor is smoother. Neither are caught from behind, just by those taking an extreme angle of persuit.thedynasty1998;615618 wrote:Here is a youtube clip from Matt Jones in his college days. Highlights are of him running and more so of him running away from people, but after watching it, you will see the difference from him running and Pryor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0i1NEz_8_U
I would actually compare Matt Jones much more to Cam Newton or even a Steve Bellisari. Matt Jones is 6'6", but he doesn't look it when he runs. He runs with his body leaning forward, compared to Pryor who is much more upright.
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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Dec 29, 2010 2:44pm
Would redshirting after the suspensions are served be an option?