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Dec 23, 2010 3:10 PM
friendfromlowry;611742 wrote:Agreed but stupid rules are still rules and the players still broke them.

I don't think its a stupid rule, if you allow these guys to sell their "possessions" that have value based on being a student-athlete, then you have to allow them to sell their autographs, persona (i.e. advertising opportunities), etc. that also have value from being a student-athlete There are plenty of chances to sell this stuff - after one has exhausted their eligibility.

"He (Krenzel) admitted that he had no trouble getting by with his monthly stipend when he was in school. And he's basically saying there is no reason these players couldn't have known what they were doing with all the compliance meetings and resources they have."

Of course, they have free meals and free housing. The stipend is more than enough for going out and trying to get laid, football players live like kings at I-A schools. What is another few hundred dollars? Just plain stupid.
Dec 23, 2010 3:10pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:14 PM
if you allow these guys to sell their "possessions" that have value based on being a student-athlete, then you have to allow them to sell their autographs, persona (i.e. advertising opportunities), etc. that also have value from being a student-athlete There are plenty of chances to sell this stuff
Actually, I see no problem with this. Why shouldn't they be able to make some money off of their name and their fame?
Dec 23, 2010 3:14pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:15 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;611761 wrote:I don't think its a stupid rule, if you allow these guys to sell their "possessions" that have value based on being a student-athlete, then you have to allow them to sell their autographs, persona (i.e. advertising opportunities), etc. that also have value from being a student-athlete There are plenty of chances to sell this stuff - after one has exhausted their eligibility.
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The gold pants and the championship rings and such have nothing to do with who's it is. The fact that they are OSU memorabilia that is in short supply makes them valuable, no matter who got them. But of course, there is no reason that a player shouldn't be able to sell HIS autograph while in college.
Dec 23, 2010 3:15pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:16 PM
Scarlet_Fever;611475 wrote: I wouldn't never sell those items but aren't they theirs why can they not sell them?

Good lord. English m*th*rf*ck*r. Do you speak it?
Dec 23, 2010 3:16pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:18 PM
wildcats20;611482 wrote: The players did not receive adequate education on the rules

Bullshit. One of my best friends played for KENT freaking STATE. He said it was unreal how often they have people come in to discuss these types of situations. It got to the point where it was nauseating.
Dec 23, 2010 3:18pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:20 PM
Maybe it's just that waterfall effect where the NCAA would rather outlaw everything under the sun rather than let some things slide.

The NCAA & BCS should just come right out and say "What they did was wrong, but we're more concerned with keeping the Sugar Bowl profitable so we'll still let them play."
Whoever was just on the SVP show echoed what I was thinking: If these guys received improper education on the rules, then why suspend them at all?? Why not say, "Well now you know, don't let there be a next time." That would be the logical reaction to a group of players who had improper education, right? It's no secret the BCS is just money hungry and doesn't care about what's best for college football, that's why we have this damn bowl system to begin with.
Dec 23, 2010 3:20pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:22 PM
se-alum;611488 wrote:Assuming the 5 game suspension stands:

Herron - Gone. Too much talent behind him to find his way back on the field after missing 5 games
Pryor - Gone. 5-7 round if he's drafted at all.
Adams - Gone. I could see him goin 3rd-5th rounds in the draft.
Posey - Gone. Probably somewhere around a 3rd rounder.

None of these guys are going to improve their draft status playing in 7 games next year. Might as well take their shot at the combine this year, and move on. Not to mention, I don't think most OSU fans want them back anyhow.

Herron will never see the light of field again. There is simply too much talent that will for certain pass him by. His career at OSU is done-zo.

Pryor. My money is on him leaving; and if he does, he'll be lucky to be drafted in the 5th round (at best).

Adams. Probably a 5th rounder, possibly even 6th.

Posey may find a way to squeak his way into the 3rd, probably 4th.
Dec 23, 2010 3:22pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:22 PM
Something just dawned on me in this madness.

These players have to pay the money back to chairty. So basically they gave up all their shit for free. SMH
Dec 23, 2010 3:22pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:22 PM
derek bomar;611490 wrote:"I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me" - TP.

I forgot about that one.
Dec 23, 2010 3:22pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:25 PM
"But of course, there is no reason that a player shouldn't be able to sell HIS autograph while in college. "

Not according to the NCAA.

Tiger Woods couldn't sell his autograph at Stanford, he couldn't join Team Nike with million-dollar endorsements while playing collegiate golf. Once you go pro...do as you wish. But when you are an amateur athlete, you can't profit from it - that's the definition of amateur. As I mentioned on another thread, Jeremy Bloom couldn't even advertise himself with ski related marketing opportunities while playing football at Colorado.

Certainly many players and programs break the rules, and if one disagrees with the rules that's fine - but this was a clear violation, and as Scarlet Buckeye mentioned, there is NO WAY they didn't know it. It is beat into every collegiate athlete's heads.
Dec 23, 2010 3:25pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:27 PM
Just like the NCAA letting those that sign Pro Baseball contracts come back and play other college sports but Bloom couldn't be a pro skier and a college football player! Hypocrites!
Dec 23, 2010 3:27pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:27 PM
charliehustle14;611788 wrote:Something just dawned on me in this madness.

These players have to pay the money back to chairty. So basically they gave up all their shit for free. SMH

At least those who choose to stay.
Dec 23, 2010 3:27pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:27 PM
charliehustle14;611788 wrote:Something just dawned on me in this madness.

These players have to pay the money back to chairty. So basically they gave up all their shit for free. SMH

kind of funny how that turns out..
Dec 23, 2010 3:27pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:28 PM
ts1227;611586 wrote:The NFL is pretty much guaranteed to lock out, so I actually think they all stay.

DUMB.

Bahahahaha. Wow. This has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Anyone who HONESTLY believes the NFL will "lock out" next season is CLUELESS! There is simply TOO much money to be had. Yes they MAY miss one game, maybe too, but NO WAY will there be a LOCK OUT. There's simply too much money nowadays.

I'll accept my "apology" next season when they're (NFL teams) playing in Week 1.
Dec 23, 2010 3:28pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:29 PM
Prescott;611772 wrote:Actually, I see no problem with this. Why shouldn't they be able to make some money off of their name and their fame?

Because then they aren't an amateur athlete. Its the rules. Blame the rules, but if you have a problem with it, that doesn't change reality that they are the rules. I mean seriously, did people not know this before today?
Dec 23, 2010 3:29pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:30 PM
Fab1b;611794 wrote:Just like the NCAA letting those that sign Pro Baseball contracts come back and play other college sports but Bloom couldn't be a pro skier and a college football player! Hypocrites!

You do know that you can maintain professional status in one sport yet maintain amateur status in another?
Dec 23, 2010 3:30pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:31 PM
Ok but why couldn't Bloom? What about players that hire an agent for the NFL/NBA draft, once that happens they are out of college sports? However for baseball and a few others they are not?
Dec 23, 2010 3:31pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:32 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;611799 wrote:Because then they aren't an amateur athlete. Its the rules. Blame the rules, but if you have a problem with it, that doesn't change reality that they are the rules. I mean seriously, did people not know this before today?

I understand these are the rules. The rules are stupid. Why would anyone give a shit that they're "amateur" athletes?
Dec 23, 2010 3:32pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:33 PM
Because then they aren't an amateur athlete. Its the rules.
I understand IT IS the rules, but that doesn't make it right.

Here is a link to an article that seems relevant to me.

Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski challenges NCAA to do something for 'student-athletes'

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/professional/duke-coach-mike-krzyzewski-challenges-ncaa-to-do-something-for-student-athletes


Can a student on a music scholarship play music for money? Sure, they can.

I see no difference.
Dec 23, 2010 3:33pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:36 PM
Oh...this just in, Mark May and his reasoning is still retarded.
Dec 23, 2010 3:36pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:38 PM
Fab1b;611805 wrote:Ok but why couldn't Bloom? What about players that hire an agent for the NFL/NBA draft, once that happens they are out of college sports? However for baseball and a few others they are not?

The rules for baseball are a bit different than for other sports. It would take a huge long drawn out explanation to help you and others explain why
Dec 23, 2010 3:38pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:38 PM
The NCAA is a monopoly that is unregulated....and stands in the way of America's free market society. There should be some rules, I agree....in order to maintain some balance and integrity and even parity (salary cap instead of a fixed number of schollies).....but not allowing an athlete to market himself for true worth is as unAmerican as it gets. College athletes should be paid what they are worth....period. Whether it's a partial scollarship, a full schollarship, or scholly plus salary....so be it. Why should the pigs at the trough running this monopoly hog all the revenue? Fuck that.

For those that think that the star football players aren't whores for the NCAA pimps, think again. College players should not be classified as amateurs....but instead should be paid what the market bears for their performance. If and when the NCAA is shitcanned, then none of this crap will be done covertly.
Dec 23, 2010 3:38pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:39 PM
Y baseball special?? Look I understand there are rules but come on, you can in one but not others makes no sense to me. Also for those that think I am backing the OSU players I am not, I stated they are at least being punished while others aren't! I just don't get the NCAA at all, I think we can all agree on that!
Dec 23, 2010 3:39pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:40 PM
Prescott;611807 wrote:I understand IT IS the rules, but that doesn't make it right.

But it does make it a RULE. Dumb.
Dec 23, 2010 3:40pm
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Dec 23, 2010 3:40 PM
queencitybuckeye;611806 wrote:I understand these are the rules. The rules are stupid. Why would anyone give a shit that they're "amateur" athletes?

A fair point, but if someone wants to profit from their status IMO they should give up their Scholly. But from a more practical perspective, there is too large of a divide between athletes and the general student population as it is - give guys like this not only the adulation but also millions of dollars? I don't see that working out. I see a lot of opportunities for exploitation and corruption. If players do ever get paid, they should get it from a trust fund upon graduation. If that's unfair, well no one is forcing them to play under the NCAA's system. It isn't as if the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL requires anyone to go to college.
Dec 23, 2010 3:40pm