Gardens35;600668 wrote:The experienced officials that I know call the pinfall at that point. The bottom man then gets as much time with the trainer that he needs.....

Though I agree with the logic, no good official should do that if a pin didn't occur. Per the NFHS rules anytime injury is requested it must be granted!!

For some reason I keep hearing something about Claymont wrestling here....not sure why...horse, horse and horse..some1 pls help me..................

Gardens35;600668 wrote:The experienced officials that I know call the pinfall at that point. The bottom man then gets as much time with the trainer that he needs.....

That would be the wrong thing to do. I agree with fab1.

Fab1...it does sound like you have your hands full with this issue. People disrespecting the sport itself with those kind of actions makes me sick.

Gardens35;600668 wrote:The experienced officials that I know call the pinfall at that point. The bottom man then gets as much time with the trainer that he needs.....

there was roughly 30 secs. left in the match...
1/2 sec. before the kid was pinned. (if that)

why not reward the kid who fought back, call the fall quickly and let the (injured) wrestler see the trainer..(quickly)
my 2 cents again...

The rule is clear on what defines a pin and a wrestler calling for injury time when being turned is not part of that definition.

*Sigh

ok, I'm done with this.. just wanted to hear some feedback from those in the HS wrestling world and stir up some dialogue..

Life lessons.. there's so much more than just wrestling going on out there on the mat. Will you fight back? Will you quit when the going gets tough?
Will you throw in the towel when you are down? Life lessons...

Very true boneblizzard. It's just one of the things that makes the sport so beautiful.

bonelizzard;600720 wrote:ok, I'm done with this.. just wanted to hear some feedback from those in the HS wrestling world and stir up some dialogue..

Life lessons.. there's so much more than just wrestling going on out there on the mat. Will you fight back? Will you quit when the going gets tough?
Will you throw in the towel when you are down? Life lessons...

very true.

I edited my post.... The kid should of chose nuetral. He would of had 30 seconds for the takedown and win. He had no chance of riding him out.

lennyrox55;600797 wrote:I edited my post.... The kid should of chose nuetral. He would of had 30 seconds for the takedown and win. He had no chance of riding him out.

Maybe.. I think that you saw the match... He didn't take him down once the whole match.. Not so sure he could have taken him down.

ok good conversation about the rules, now that we all know we can move onto something better, like..........Bean and Cheese BurritoS!!! oh yea!

USMCdevil05;600833 wrote:ok good conversation about the rules, now that we all know we can move onto something better, like..........Bean and Cheese BurritoS!!! oh yea!

The experienced officials that I know love Bean and Cheese Burritos.

oh well so does this guy!

Ok here is my thing. If a kid is being turned with something completely legal that is known to be an "easy" move. (Wrist and half, Butcher, Cradle) I've seen kids cry for an injury and the ref tell the kid he is fine and continue the match. I've seen it done by more than a few of experienced state tourney officials....... What would be the rooms thoughts on this. I'm perfectly fine with it. I see it like the front headlock where the kid is telling the official he can't breathe....

Jmar25;601210 wrote:Ok here is my thing. If a kid is being turned with something completely legal that is known to be an "easy" move. (Wrist and half, Butcher, Cradle) I've seen kids cry for an injury...................

The experienced officials that I know call the pinfall at that point, most likely because they don't hear so good anymore. The bottom man then gets as much time with the trainer that he needs......

"Help is on its way"!! SLAP THE MAT!!!

I wasn't taught to do anything like that, and it wasn't intended.

Fab1b;600666 wrote:It has here in FL, it's a problem but I think the rules comittee has it's hands full on things like injury!! That is why they added the extra point for nf. What else can they do? The first time a kid says he's hurt and the ref doesn't stop it because the ref doesn't think the kid is really hurt well that ref may end up in court!!

What's odd, at youth opens, and the OAC grade school states, I have seen refs make youth kids keep going.

I understand young kids cry a lot during wrestling even if they aren't really hurt (my son is one of them), but I've personally seen where a kid is holding his arm/elbow crying trying to walk back to the starting position and the ref tells the 6 year old "if you can't get over here you'll have to forfeit".

There is so much more crying at that level so I understand its hard to determine real injuries vs "I'm losing and don't like it" crying, but my opinion is that at the youth level they do NOT stop it for "injury" time right away as Fab is saying they are supposed to.

Don't get me wrong, there have been many times my kid has put his opponent in the reverse half and only got 4 backpoints instead of a pin because the kid is screaming, so it has hurt my kid too. However, as Fab said, its near impossible at any level to tell if the injury is real or not.

jmog;602921 wrote:...there have been many times my kid has put his opponent in the reverse half and only got 4 backpoints ...

You sure about that?

Seems to me that it's totally up to the discretion of the referee whether he wants to award the injury time to that wrestler at that particular moment...
All things considered; age, quality of tournament, flow of match, etc.