Hawaii to join Mountain West in Football, Big West in all other sports.

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Dec 10, 2010 11:29 PM
Looks like the WAC is about to die
Dec 10, 2010 11:29pm
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Dec 10, 2010 11:54 PM
I thought this news broke like 3 weeks ago or so, at least the football going to the Mountain West.
Dec 10, 2010 11:54pm
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Dec 11, 2010 1:35 AM
jordo212000;595892 wrote:Looks like the WAC is about to die

But.....they are bringing in those Texas schools...
Dec 11, 2010 1:35am
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Dec 11, 2010 2:01 AM
The WAC will be on Sun Belt level horribleness for the next decade or so. Just pitiful.

The MWC has taken what is good with the WAC and the remnants of the MWC and formed a conference on par with the Big East. Hawaii proved this year they can have success without June Jones.

If I'm the MWC I look to add two teams and bump to twelve. Perhaps Houston and SMU?

West Division
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
San Diego State
UNLV

Mountain Division
Air Force
Colorado State
Houston
New Mexico
SMU
Wyoming
Dec 11, 2010 2:01am
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Dec 11, 2010 8:41 AM
Still second level, could have been respectable with Utah and TCU.
Dec 11, 2010 8:41am
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Dec 11, 2010 9:17 AM
Sonofanump;596045 wrote:Still second level, could have been respectable with Utah and TCU.

Much agreed!
Dec 11, 2010 9:17am
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Dec 11, 2010 11:10 AM
I dont understand why BYU thinks they "had" to go independent. They would be a great fit in the MWC which is where they are currently right? But it doesnt matter what the MWC does, they wont be granted an AQ status ever.

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Dec 11, 2010 11:10am
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Dec 11, 2010 11:46 AM
oberhaus;596118 wrote:I dont understand why BYU thinks they "had" to go independent. They would be a great fit in the MWC which is where they are currently right? But it doesnt matter what the MWC does, they wont be granted an AQ status ever.

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Well, a lucrative contract with ESPN for the better part of the next decade and the opportunity to play a national schedule might have been small factors.
Dec 11, 2010 11:46am
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Dec 11, 2010 12:48 PM
enigmaax;596154 wrote:Well, a lucrative contract with ESPN for the better part of the next decade and the opportunity to play a national schedule might have been small factors.

ND's BCS qualifications won't apply to BYU as an independent, but it does bring up an argument for them to be given the same requirements. I don't know if BYU has the pull to squawk loudly enough for it to be heard in time for 2013 and the new look at things, but I would imagine that if others would go IND. also that some sort of adjustment would have to be done.
Dec 11, 2010 12:48pm
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Dec 11, 2010 1:03 PM
ytownfootball;596209 wrote:ND's BCS qualifications won't apply to BYU as an independent, but it does bring up an argument for them to be given the same requirements. I don't know if BYU has the pull to squawk loudly enough for it to be heard in time for 2013 and the new look at things, but I would imagine that if others would go IND. also that some sort of adjustment would have to be done.

I presume they still fall under the autoqualifying guidelines for teams in a non-AQ conference. I know the wording seems to specify non-AQs from the specific conferences, but I don't think they'd have jumped without knowing what they're facing. That, or, at the very least they assume that by playing a national schedule any BYU team that runs the table isn't going to have to make the same case that a MWC champion has to try and make - because they'd have (by the nature of their schedule) truly proven themselves.
Dec 11, 2010 1:03pm
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Dec 11, 2010 1:57 PM
The WAC will die, I believe, in 3 or 4 years. Just won't be the revenue base
Dec 11, 2010 1:57pm
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Dec 11, 2010 2:00 PM
goosebumps;595906 wrote:I thought this news broke like 3 weeks ago or so, at least the football going to the Mountain West.

They had simply entered into negotiations a month ago. They hashed out the details and officially pulled the trigger this week.
Dec 11, 2010 2:00pm
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Dec 11, 2010 2:44 PM
ts1227;596268 wrote:They had simply entered into negotiations a month ago. They hashed out the details and officially pulled the trigger this week.


Gotcha, thanks for the response.

Whoever said the MWC would be on par with the BE is high lol. They lost the only three teams who were ever worth a damn in the conference.
Dec 11, 2010 2:44pm
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Dec 11, 2010 6:30 PM
Perhaps if we're only discussing money - obviously BYU/Utah have cash and TCU can as long as they win - but I'm not sure those programs are currently hugely better than the 4 incoming teams. Hawaii, Boise and Nevada finished ranked in the BCS and Fresno wasn't far behind (beat Cincinnati and Illinois this year).
Dec 11, 2010 6:30pm
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Dec 12, 2010 1:23 PM
I know this is on the football forum, but I am interested in the basketball move also as my university is in the Big West. A bit unexpected out of the BW, as it is a bus league (all California teams, and almost all in southern CA) and this will increase travel costs substantially. However, I suppose Hawaii brings a bit more exposure to the conference (even though most of Hawaii's sports programs are not that great).

As for football, the MWC is clearly better for the defecting WAC teams, as teams like San Diego State and Wyoming are generally better than New Mexico State and San Jose State. However, the MWC has no legitimacy as a prospective BCS conference without at least two of the three departing teams remaining/returning, which isn't happening.
Dec 12, 2010 1:23pm
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Dec 12, 2010 4:36 PM
I will still argue the twelve-team conference I drew up is as good, if not better, than the Big East.
Dec 12, 2010 4:36pm
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AcesinCalifornia

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Dec 12, 2010 5:30 PM
Tobias,

I agree, if they can add two good non-BCS programs (Houston I would say is, and SMU is on the way finally) they would have an argument (of if they could get a Big 12 team or two in the future). Another good CUSA school that might fit would be Tulsa, or maybe UTEP (not as good on the field, but good geographically).
Dec 12, 2010 5:30pm
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Dec 12, 2010 5:37 PM
Mountain West will be solid. Getting Houston and one other school (SMU would be a nice choice) would definitely make it a much better conference than the Big East. At the very least, it is even.

Some around here can't wrap their head around that
Dec 12, 2010 5:37pm
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Dec 12, 2010 6:05 PM
Tulsa would be a solid pickup; I forgot about them. UTEP makes sense, but I agree not as a primary target. SMU and Houston give them a big foothold in Dallas and Houston, which is big for television.

How about bumping to fourteen. I oppose it fervidly, but it's neat to think about. I don't think any of the Big XII teams would leave, Kansas and Kansas State need each other, and Kansas wouldn't leave because of the basketball. Missouri doesn't make sense. Texas Tech and Baylor are the teams I could see leaving, but would the State of Texas let them?

If the MWC were to add SMU, Houston, Tulsa, and Baylor/Texas Tech/UTEP, it would be big. That'd put them on par with the ACC's down years.
Dec 12, 2010 6:05pm
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Dec 12, 2010 6:41 PM
Why would Texas Tech ever go to the MWC??? Are you forgetting that the PAC 10 would take them?

You're reaching so much. and SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Baylor, and UTEP aren't anywhere close to anyone in the Big East.
Dec 12, 2010 6:41pm
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Dec 12, 2010 9:23 PM
goosebumps;598156 wrote: You're reaching so much. and SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Baylor, and UTEP aren't anywhere close to anyone in the Big East.

SMU currently isn't great, but they seem to be on the right track to regaining relevancy.

But Baylor and Tulsa could both play with a few of the bottom dwellers in the Big East. You are too close to the situation IMO. Take the emotion out of it. Rutgers and Cincinnati were both absolutely horrid this season (I think Baylor is probably a mid to upper tier team in the Big East)
Dec 12, 2010 9:23pm
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Dec 13, 2010 12:09 AM
Baylor would have run over Connecticut this season. Tulsa might have done so too, they were four points away from being 11-1 this season. If Houston didn't lose their quarterback, they'd win a few conference games too. Hell, even SMU would.

I'm simply saying only Baylor and Texas Tech would be the only teams with a >1% chance of leaving the Big 12. Texas A&M wouldn't, and of course Texas wouldn't.
Dec 13, 2010 12:09am